Australia forest fires

[+logan4 847]

Please don't beat up each other, nevertheless it is always advisable to compare information and broaden our views and understanding of the world. All of us just benefit from that, if that is done properly without developing anger, etc. Nobody on this planet can have and know everything, so blank spots can happen for each and everyone of us, but its always better to get into a "bigger box of life".

One thing that most areas forget is to think about our planet as a life form of its own. We can use an analogy of the human body for comparison. If the body is healthy all is well and the person is as happy as can be, so all life flourish and prosper.  How ever there are times when non optimum conditions persist, a virus gets into the body or from an injury gets an inflammation, how the body reacts? It develops fever, raises core temperature of itself and tries to "sweat" out the problem. Unfortunately our planet can not sweat, but it is able to change its core temperature, by melting or increasing the polar caps, it can reduce or enlarge the reflection percentage of incoming heat from the sun. So it can rejuvenate itself and its "cellular structure" so it can be healthy again. True it is a slow process that can take decades, but does work flawlessly. What many don't see by the melting polar caps, the temperature of the deep sea is getting lower, and it brings new and abundant life forms into existence, that will support us in the coming years.
The Co2 is not causing it by itself, in fact first the temperature has to rise in order to get more Co2 in the air, they do go hand in hand to a degree but not dully as most areas advocate it. A large volcano eruption can toss thousands or million ton of Co2 into the atmosphere, yet it gets colder for a certain period, why? Because the ash blankets out the sun....  
The planet went through thousands of cycles of getting very warm or getting extremely cold, that's how propagates life and life cycles on its surface, whether internal or external was the source of turning event.

One big misconception is that we kill the planet, no the planet will be here for a few more billion years, and thanks for asking it will fill just fine. What we actually kill is ourselves, if we not stop polluting our environment - air, waters, ground. As you can see I said "pollution" not Co2 or other, in fact any material that can be dangerous to any existence of life, the list is quite long so not gonna put them here. If we want to live for few more thousands or million years as species, then we have to change our way of careless life, destroying everything around us just for the sake of "profit" and because "we are the top of evolution" - actually far from this last one. There are many things more than money, you can't eat money when no crops would grow or cattle to be able to eat grass to give milk or meat. 

So our planet now has a fever, did we cause it - no - but we did accelerate its cycle by carelessly polluting our environment. All heat cycle is followed by cool down. Is climate change is real, sure, just look out the window. Unfortunately you can not direct or stop climate change to where what would change, but we can make an alliance with the planet so it is less severe, and also to a degree we have to adopt to the "new" zones, where we can grow crops, fish, etc. This fever will be turning around, by the end of the 20-s and early 30-s you will see a drastic cool down, sort of mini ice age that will last between 10-25 or so years. That means also plenty of people moving around, since some of the areas they live now would be quite harsh to sustain, and there will other places that become "livable" that are currently not.

Forest fires will grow for coming years, but we could lessen its chance by stopping being careless or just ignorant about our environment and it's inner working. With more conscious attitude and actions we can negate some part of the problem, and by adopting reasonable rules that are beneficial for most of its sides - not just mankind - we can progress and bring a turning point. Unfortunately man as a group in its current form needs big catastrophe events to even start thinking, so few more of such might follows before we start to act en mass. 

[+Gepard 11,318]

10 hours ago, mue said:

@Gepard you sound like the typical climate change sceptic . All of your climate myths are already debunked. e.g. here:...

Maybe the climate experts? 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.

 

The main difference between me and you is the side of the iron curtain on which we grew up.

For me it is a deja vue.

30, 40 years ago so called experts and scientists agreed, that the socialism will be victorious. For the main stream in my country the statement "the socialism will be victorious" had had the status of a law. It was written in books. It was proofed by scientists. Doubts were not allowed. To have a non mainstream opinion was punished. There were no discussions. Only the main stream was right.  All others were shouted down or worse.

And in such a situation we are again.

Again there are scientist who lift a theory on a rank of a law. Again doubts are not allowed. Again people with non mainstream opions are shouted down. Again the mainstream is always right. "Die Partei, die Partei, die hat immer recht!" The party, the party is always right!

Only the color of the party has changed. Not anymore red, now green.

The philosophy behind it is the same. Make people fear. Make them to have panic. And you can rule them. Simple.

 

Sorry, from such "things" i had enough in my lifetime. Thatswhy im sceptical if someone say that he has found the one and only truth.

As the german proverb say: "Gebranntes Kind scheut das Feuer!" "Burnt child shies away from the fire!"

 

[+mue 715]

45 minutes ago, Gepard said:

The main difference between me and you is the side of the iron curtain on which we grew up.

I didn't know you grew up in west germany. I always thought you grew up in east germany. 

 

46 minutes ago, Gepard said:

30, 40 years ago so called experts and scientists agreed, that the socialism will be victorious. For the main stream in my country the statement "the socialism will be victorious" had had the status of a law. It was written in books. It was proofed by scientists.

I don't understand, what east german propaganda has to do with climate change?

 

46 minutes ago, Gepard said:

Again doubts are not allowed. Again people with non mainstream opions are shouted down.

That's straw man fallacy. Of course you are allowed to say that 2+2=5. But if scientist then say that's incorrect because 2+2=4, that's not shouting down!

[+Gepard 11,318]

27 minutes ago, mue said:

That's straw man fallacy. Of course you are allowed to say that 2+2=5. But if scientist then say that's incorrect because 2+2=4, that's not shouting down!

And in the bad old times the so called scientists said: "the socialism will always win." and they were wrong. You have no guarantee that the scientist this time are right.

And by the way, in the bad old time you were also allowed to say "2+2=5", but you had to live with the consequences. Same procedure as every time.

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