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Third Wire F-8 Crusader Upgrade & Enhancement


This has been a labor of love for my all-time favorite fighter aircraft. The service period of this aircraft fits perfectly with the time period that the Strike Fighters 2 game engine gives its best: Gun armed jet fighters with short range missiles and early/ limited avionics.


Changes:

-    The ‘SF2V Air & Ground War Expansion v.2.0 Gold’ and ‘F-8 DATA & LOADOUT v1.0 update’ here at CA were used as a starting point for this project.

-    Maximum G has been changed to 6.3 which is the airframe structural limit in all NATOPS publications.

-    There are automatically operating ‘fake’ leading edge droops (slats) that simulates the pilot being able to lower them a few degrees with a button on the throttle for cruising flight and manoeuvring flight (aka dog fighting). By ‘fake’ I mean they are not player operated in SF2 or linked to the 3D model but the aerodynamic effect is realistically simulated. You will notice the droop indicator in the cockpit will change with them however. If they were manually controlled in the game the AI would not use them correctly.

-    Single AIM-9 missiles and rails can be loaded instead of the Y-racks on all F-8 variants. This is done at the loadout screen (and by the loadout.ini file) it is set up so you cannot load single missiles/ rails and double missiles/ Y-racks at the same time.

-    Cannons harmonized as per NATOPS manual and gun accuracy adjusted to real world levels.

-    Adjustment to most decal positions and inclusion of Squadron codes on the wings.

-    Additional details added to most stock skins.

-    Additional squadron specific higher resolution skins with more accurate markings for that particular squadron.

-    Included for F-8J (69) is a proposed SEA camo overpaint for the VF-211 aircraft on detachment at Udorn in early 1972 to school USAF pilots in Dogfighting. The repaint was initially agreed to but it would have added 1200lbs so it was abandoned. If you wish to use it and fly DACT against USAF Phantoms you can load the extra 1200lb at the load out screen via a unique station specific hard point.

-    Overhaul of each data.ini and avionics.ini to bring them in line with the information in the F-8 NATOPS manuals, NATOPS supplements and F-8 Tactics manual.

-    More detailed pilots and ejection seats.

-    Fully compatible with ‘SF2V Air & Ground War Expansion v.2.0 Gold’ or Third Wire SF2V campaigns. 

-    Additional year specific aircraft to better reflect physical and avionic changes. As well as correcting a few mistakes and omissions by Third Wire.

-    Below is the list of aircraft and a few of the specific major changes you may notice in addition to the list above:


F-8C 
-    Missing radar symbology added and radar performance/ parameters corrected. The radar cursor for selecting a target is a long horizontal line that moves up from the bottom of the scope and is only adjustable in range and not azimuth to select a specific radar contact.

F-8C (66)
-    Same as above plus:
-    This is the TW F-8D model modified into a F-8C in order for it to have the Y-rack Fuselage weapon rails.

F-8D
-    Missing radar symbology added including steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.

F-8D (66)
-    Same as above.

F-8E
-    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See screenshot for more information.
-    Missing radar symbology added including range rate circle, which also doubles as the steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.
-    Missile firing order and cockpit weapon station section dial corrected.

F-8E (66)
-    Same as above plus:
-    Significant use of the AIM-9C as after a lot of research it turns out they were commonly carried over Vietnam in this period, notably by VF-211.

F-8E(FN)
-    Equipped with the nose mounted IRST system like the USN F-8D and E.
-    This is the TW F-8J model modified into a F-8E(FN) as are all the below French Crusaders so the DLC is NOT required.
-    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See screenshot for more information.
-    Location of Matra R.530 missile rails corrected.

F-8E(FN) (70)
-    Same as above plus:
-    The nose mounted IRST system is removed from all French aircraft.

F-8P(FN)
-    Same as above plus:
-    17 F-8E(FN) are upgraded to extend their service life, included is the Sherloc RWR system.

F-8P(FN) (94)
-    Same as above plus:
-    F-8P(FN) are fitted with a GPS navigation system and antenna.

F-8H
-    Retains the AN/APQ-83 radar from the F-8D but uses the physically larger and higher resolution cockpit radar display from the F-8E.
-    Missing radar symbology added including steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.
-    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See attached for more information. 
-    Retains ALQ-51 ECM from the F-8D.
-    Missile firing order and cockpit weapon station section dial corrected.

F-8H (69)
-    Same as above plus:
-    Improved AN/APQ-149 radar fitted in place of the AN/APQ-83.
-    Additional missing radar symbology added including separate larger range rate circle and separate smaller steering circle. 
-    A lot of fleet F-8H around this period have had their Nose IRST system (temporarily?) removed.

F-8H (74)
-    Same as above plus:
-    After the Vietnam war F-8H has the improved ALQ-100 ECM in a larger pod installed, and full cannon ammo capacity restored.

F-8J
-    Improved AN/APQ-124 radar installed.
-    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See screenshot for more information.
-    Missing radar symbology added including separate larger range rate circle, separate smaller steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range. 
-    Missile firing order and cockpit weapon station section dial corrected.

F-8J (69)
-    Same as above.

F-8J (75)
-    Same as above plus:
-    In 1975 the remaining fleet F-8J (along with the RF-8G) receive the ALQ-126 ECM and ALR-45/50 RHAW RWR. The nose mounted IRST system is permanently removed.

F-8J (75) [w RWR]
-    Same as above except:
-    The cockpit radar display functions as a Vector RWR and not a radar. This is because in real life the pilot could change the radar scope from displaying radar images or displaying the RWR images. The F-8J did not have a separate RWR display. There was a setting in which it would be displaying radar images but if a missile launch was detected the threat bearing line would be displayed flashing over top of the radar images. Not possible in SF2 unfortunately.


To install:
1, Unpack and drop into your main mods folder.
2, Override when prompted.


Credits:
-    ‘F-8 DATA & LOADOUT v1.0 update’ by FANATIC MODDER.
-    ‘SF2V Air & Ground War Expansion v.2.0 Gold’ by Eburger68 and team.
-    ‘F-8E(FN) Crouze & F-8P(FN) Crouze Prolongé 1.1’ by Paulopanz, Denis Oliveira & Coupi.
-    Weapons by Ravenclaw_007.
-    Template by Geary.
-    Blade.
-    Wrench.


CombatAce fair use agreement applies.


Enjoy,

Dan.


 

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Mate,just a question: maybe create a single decals for the various carrier names and added separately from the NAVY's will help to have the correct markings of the various Squadrons.

After said this, AWESOME job,thanks!!!!

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2 hours ago, RustyKurnass said:

Mate,just a question: maybe create a single decals for the various carrier names and added separately from the NAVY's will help to have the correct markings of the various Squadrons.

After said this, AWESOME job,thanks!!!!

The issue is each squadron also had slightly different placement and sizes of ID numbers and serial numbers etc as well so that is why I have just done a few squadron specific skins that capture a point in time. Markings could even vary significantly between cruises for the same squadron. The particular squadrons I have done for this mod were chosen as I use them in my personal 'SF2V Air and Ground War Expansion' mod.

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That's true and I'm very glad of the job you're done! I love that finally can use the F-8C with four 'Winders with the VF-24 for example ( love this squadron and made the appropriate change in the number list to have it in the 4xx range of Modex).

What I mean is if you or someone else know how work the assignament of the decals to specific squadrons by the game ( I know that can be edited the appropriate lines in the decals inis). As you already knew, the squadrons rotated on the various 27C carriers during the Viet War, and this is a complication for the decals, but have the correct carrier name on the planes will be great ( for other planes also) 

Last stuèid thing,I'll expect that also the basic F-8C will be able to load the Y rack,is there a specific reason to ignore it?

Only couriousity:biggrin:

 

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Sorry mate,but for both the F-8E and E_66, in campaign, not A/A missiles are showed,despite I can normally add them in the loadout screen. Any idea?

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Good day mate,I solved,there're a wrong line in the ini about the LoadoutFile,instead of F-8E_66_LOADOUT.ini the lines read F-8E_66_non_vietnam_LOADOUT.ini

Now look like if  work fine:biggrin:

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Must be a typo from testing, nice catch.

Also F-8C doesn't have the Y racks but the F-8C_66 does because the F-8C initially did not have them. They were developed for the f-8D model and retrofitted as an option for the F-8C.

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Thanks for the answer mate,I love the Sader but I haven't much infos; I need to fill this gap in my knowledge, especially as a (maniacal)  modeller that have some F-8s to be build...:biggrin:

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      This has been a labor of love for my all-time favorite fighter aircraft. The service period of this aircraft fits perfectly with the time period that the Strike Fighters 2 game engine gives its best: Gun armed jet fighters with short range missiles and early/ limited avionics.

      Changes:
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      -    Maximum G has been changed to 6.3 which is the airframe structural limit in all NATOPS publications.
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      -    Additional year specific aircraft to better reflect physical and avionic changes. As well as correcting a few mistakes and omissions by Third Wire.
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      -    Missing radar symbology added and radar performance/ parameters corrected. The radar cursor for selecting a target is a long horizontal line that moves up from the bottom of the scope and is only adjustable in range and not azimuth to select a specific radar contact.
      F-8C (66)
      -    Same as above plus:
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      F-8D
      -    Missing radar symbology added including steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.
      F-8D (66)
      -    Same as above.
      F-8E
      -    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See screenshot for more information.
      -    Missing radar symbology added including range rate circle, which also doubles as the steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.
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      F-8E(FN)
      -    Equipped with the nose mounted IRST system like the USN F-8D and E.
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      -    Same as above plus:
      -    The nose mounted IRST system is removed from all French aircraft.
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      -    Same as above plus:
      -    17 F-8E(FN) are upgraded to extend their service life, included is the Sherloc RWR system.
      F-8P(FN) (94)
      -    Same as above plus:
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      F-8H
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      -    Missing radar symbology added including steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range.
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      -    Retains ALQ-51 ECM from the F-8D.
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      -    Same as above plus:
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      -    A lot of fleet F-8H around this period have had their Nose IRST system (temporarily?) removed.
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      F-8J
      -    Improved AN/APQ-124 radar installed.
      -    Radar frame lock, range and shoot cue lights all completely changed and now function correctly. See screenshot for more information.
      -    Missing radar symbology added including separate larger range rate circle, separate smaller steering circle, aiming dot, break X and missile max range. 
      -    Missile firing order and cockpit weapon station section dial corrected.
      F-8J (69)
      -    Same as above.
      F-8J (75)
      -    Same as above plus:
      -    In 1975 the remaining fleet F-8J (along with the RF-8G) receive the ALQ-126 ECM and ALR-45/50 RHAW RWR. The nose mounted IRST system is permanently removed.
      F-8J (75) [w RWR]
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      -    ‘F-8 DATA & LOADOUT v1.0 update’ by FANATIC MODDER.
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