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1 hour ago, Lex2Limit said:

Don't know the Type. but,yes its LCOS. MILS 50. inner Circle 30 Mils . Dot 2 Mils

Excellent information, thank you for the information.  I will post the updated optical sight.  In thfuture, if you find out te name or type of this optical sight, please let me know.

By the way, do you, by any chance, hahve information on the optical sgihts used by different variants of A4D / A-4 Skyhawks? 


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I play a little bit with your F-8 Avionics:biggrin: new Radar screen new Target Selector ( Yeah, after long time i find out how to change it!!!) and a color blured Gunsight

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4 hours ago, Lex2Limit said:

I play a little bit with your F-8 Avionics:biggrin: new Radar screen new Target Selector ( Yeah, after long time i find out how to change it!!!) and a color blured Gunsight

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Looking good!  Just so you know, the next version of SF - CAP will have a completely new gunisght for all aircraft with new sight system.

Youwill have more fun with these and I look forward seeing your new version from it too!

Cheers

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Hello everyone!

Sorry for being being quiet for a while.  What kept me so busy is searching for the flight manauls / docunments hwlie doing intense researches on the US Navy / Marine Corps and US Air Force Phantoms.

What I have learned so far, along with great help from our community, including Ravenclaw_007 and Lex2Limit.  While I am working on the readar texture for Phantom IIs, there is one thing I want to comment;  It is awesome that various mdoders are working on F-4s projects, we learn from each other.  Even if we create the mods for the same aircraft, we have different methods of doing it. I am learning a lot from Ravenclaw_007 and Lex2Limit for F-4 modding.

I am going to share what I have learned and please feel free to corerct me if the information I share seem incorrect.

It appears that US Navy / Marine Corp F-4B / J / N uses CRTfor AN/APX-76A display (radar scope) for AN/APQ-72 and AN/APG-59 radar.  At other hand, US Air Force F-4C also use CRT display for radar scope while F-4D use DVST.  F-4E initally start with DVST then in the early 1970s, upgraded to more advanced DSGC.

Going back to AN/APQ-72 radar for F-4A and F-4B, there is one thing I noticed about the radar scope:

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The width is about 102 to 103 percent longer than the height.and at the same time, the frame above and below the radar display are a bit different in height too.  Top is a bit longer than bottom.  So therefore, I re-created the radar for F-4A and F-4B from ground up.  Here is new texture with some of darkness level applied due to SF2 radar bring too bright.

F4H-1F / F-4A radar display:

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F4H-1 / F-4B, F-4J, and F-4N radar display:

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I am workiong on the RWR display at the moment then wil test them in-game.  


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Testing new RWR and radar texture on F-4B Phantom IIs.

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Added some of 'light shadow to the white lines, looks great this way:
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TW style radar texture
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To everyone,

I have a question, would anyone like TW style version of RWR, along with the TW style radar scope?  Or should it be optional for anyone whho prefer TW style radar scope with texture version fo RWR? 


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16 hours ago, Eagle114th said:

To everyone,
I have a question, would anyone like TW style version of RWR, along with the TW style radar scope?  Or should it be optional for anyone whho prefer TW style radar scope with texture version fo RWR? 
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My opinion:
1. New texture - as the main one (default in mod).
2. TW style - as an option for those who want it (but also include in mod).

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The optional way in my opinion... :hi:

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Hello everyone!

It have been quite hectic month with the real life and endless researches on F-4 series (USNS / USMC and USAF), and creating multi radar textures for different F-4s, along with new RWR textures.  I want to give big tahnks to Ravenclaw_007 and Lex2Limit for the advice, supports, and great informatiion on the F-4s for this big projects.

The radar texture for USAF F-4C / D / E are now completed, as well the new RWR.  However, the TV for guided ordinancesa re still WIP.  For now, the F-4C (1967) is completed.

I would like to share what I have been working on:

F-4C's new CRT radar scop eand RWR texture:

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Optical TW style for radar and RWR

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New TV texture and effects (WIP)

 

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The F-4D and E screenshot will be posted as soon the TV is completed. I am still researching on what DVST and DSGC TV looks like, especaily the colors.


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Hello everyone,

It have been awhile since I posted and I have tons to share today!

After working on F-4C / D / E, I also did a lot of experiments with the color hue / filts for TV for CRT / DSVT / DSGC while research and ask questions about the radar scope types.

I owe big thanks to Ravenclaw_007 and Lex2Limit for the information and allowing me to use the files for this projects.   I especially thank you everyonein the community for the suports too!

What I realized is that the early CRT and DSVT have greenish gray or greeen display.  DSGC, in other hand, show up as grayscale as shown with later MFDs.

But first, I awnt to sharemthe texture I did for both RWR and radar for F-4D and F-4E.  I always learn new things everyday, and the feedback always help. If you see anything that is inaccurate or needs fixing, pleaset post here. I will be more than happy to discuss withh you and fix what needs fixing.

This is F-4D with DSVT type radar scope:

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New gunsighht for early F-4D (I still do not know which year F-4D get upgraded to use AN/ASG-22 LCOSS.  So for now, F-4D (1966) will use this optical sight until 1967. If anyone have the information on thhis, pleaseshare them with me.)  This sight also was used by F-105s.

NOTE:  For now, the sight is not completed yet, but will go ahead in this stage.  When I find more information, will update this sight.

Based on the information provided by Lex2Limit (Thank you!) and the images from the researches:

Skies-of-Glory on X: "MiG-17_shot_down_by_F-105D_3_June_1967 #BadDayFlying  A North Vietnamese MiG-17 in the gunsight of an F-105 Thunderchief in 1967  https://t.co/JEUEwFphzX #CheckSix https://t.co/m3c9gbijJ5" / X

File:MiG-17 and F-105 Thunderchief over Vietnam 1967.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

 

It comes in thhree colors, just like various LCOSS.  here is screenshot with one of the color:

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Now next, let's talk about F-4E;  It comes with two radar types;  From the beginning of F-4E service year to 1974, they used DSVT like F-4D do.  However, from 1974 onward, they get upgraded to use DSGC.  By the way, the new RWR texture is bsaed on the excellent work of Ravenclaw_007 and the researches.

Here is screenshot of F-4E before 1974:

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Notice the optical RWR in TW style too:

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Nnext is 1974 onward version:

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Finally, here is screenshots of improved TV for CRT / DSVT / DSGC.  (A-4 Skyhawk's TV will be updated too)

NOTE:  From research and information I have  learned, this is the theory I have:  CRT always have fuzzy, not clear TV while DSVT, which is more advanced version of CRT, would be more clear and solves the issues that CRT have.  DSGC, in other hand, the most advanced of all, have grayscale like you would see in MFD for TV mode.  Unfortunately, I am u nable tom make it look exactly the way I want, so I did my best with the limitatino of SF2 avionics modding.


CRT type TV

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DSVT type TV

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DSGC type TV

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Nice Work!!

i Play with some F-4J tweaks: RadarScreen early with Grid and Old Gunsight. Later Without Grid and New Gunsight. i'm not sure if this is correct but i see some Picture frome the new F-4J pit whre the Radar Screen is i little bit on the right (we don't have this pit in SF2 :clapping:) there s no grid and da Glass is a little bit pulpy.

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Hello Lex2Limit,

Your works are impressive! I like what you do with the radar and gunisght. I have some feedback adn suggestion; I think that the optical sight could be bit bigger.

From the docunment, the 'fixed' circular is about 70 MIls diameter or 35 MILs radius.

And the roll reference (vertical lines outside the fixed circular sight) is  a bit longer compared to the pitch refernece (Two horizontal lines).  Here is two images with SOS (Served Optical Sight).

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By the way, I am looking forward tsting SF2 with your new F-4D avionics overhaul.  I will be releasing my version in about a week or two, still have a lot to do with various F-4s.  It is a very fun project!

Cheers!

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By the way, is Here anybody that knows more about avionics.ini? What i missed in th 70.dll is the groundclutter in search Mode... Crusader?:biggrin:

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Very impressive works ! :good:

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Hi Volks,

another try to give the Phantom's Rader an immersive upgrade....:dntknw: i tried to move the scope (graphicly alittle bit bihind the scope glass. because the Pilot's Screen is not directly bihinde the Scope glass like that from the WSO. But my problem....how  can change the Radr position????? I can change the viewpoint, but not the Screen information. Like the Horizon Bar the Elevation Strobe... and so on. It's out of the center. because i move for psydo 3D th screen allitle bit up. the screenshot is Level Flight. but the Horizon and elevation is too low...

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Hello everyone!

It have been quite challlenging journey workong on F-4EJ KAI, the information on HUD and radar reminds mostly mysterious.  At least what I learned is that F-4EJ KAI Phantom II uses AN/APG-66J radar with radar scope wihch only display radar like earlier F-4EJ but with more information I believe.  At the same time, the HUD is quite tricky and there is limited data on it. I Hope to find more informaton on HUD and radar someday.

For now, this images is what I use to base on while using the TMF's F-4EJ KAI HUD as template to work on HUD and radar.

Here is image: (Thank you Ravenclaw_007 for excellent information!)

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F-4EJ KAI (WIP)


NAV MODE

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Air to Air mode

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Air to Ground mode

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I want note that the angle of attack bar and arrival time to waypoint is what I am stuck with.  I do not know how to add both of these, I am currently looking through various SF2 mods for hints.  For now, in place of AOA indicator bar, I am uisng number, which is below Gs number on lower left part of HUD.

And the roll indicator is also fixed, you can see it on bottom part of HHUD, which is limted to 45 degree left to right.

I would like to request for the feedback and assistant on the HUD.  If there seem to be inaccurate layout on teh HUD, let me know and I will fix it.

Thank you and cheers!


Eagle114th

 

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Hello everyone!

The TMF's F-4EJ KAI (with new overhaul) is also implemented in Ravenclaw_007's F-4EJ KAI mods.  Ther are multi folders for F-4 new cockpit / avionics overhauls: Ravenclaw_007's F-4s, TMF F-4s, and Thhirdwire (With Lex2Limit and other modder's TW tweaks along with my works).

here is TW style radar and imnproved HUD, along with improved gunisght for F-4EJ KAI. Please note, I am unable to find information onthe gunsight used by F-4EJ KAI, tihs is an educated guess that makes some senses.  If anyone have the information on the gun sights used by F-4EEJ KAI, pleasee send it to me or post it here.  I will happily update F-4EJ KAI with new gunsights.

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The UK's F-4K / M / J (UK) are being worked on. I look forward to it.  And I aim to work on Israel's F-4Es after that. There are a lot of researches to do.


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more and more exciting and amazing !!! :good:

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It actually looks pretty cool, any plane with a modern HUD is welcome.

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