SF2 Avionics Community Pack - WIP (NOTES)

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Hello everyone,

I am  re-creating the posts after hte ideas came up about the name of proejcts and what it is about.  This project is to be known as  SF2 Avionics Community Pack (SF2:ACP for short), because the purpose of this projects is to create the assets for anyone to usse  for our mods, as well for customizing our SF2 installation.  You will need to put them into aircraft folder and customize the .ini   files, in order, for them to appear in-game.

This is what I find so enjoayble and I noticed that not many simulation does this.  This s project aims to bring the realistic, immersive expereicnes in cockpits with actual textures for radar scope, RWR, HUD, and any avionics that is currently moddable in SF2 and aircraft mods.

I will exlpain the limitation of SF2 engine, so we can get better pictures of what we can and can't do for now.  I said "for now, is becauuse I have the hope htat someday, somehow, someone manage to make it possible to make avioincs further moddable in SF2.

1) Texture issues:  What can be done is chan ging radar scope texture.  But the problem is that, the radar symbols / lines colors can not be changed.  We are stuck with default green SF2 radar symbosl /lines / circles.  And eve with new textures, the radar lines / symbols/ shapes will be applied on top of it.  So it mean, if you have 'black line' on top of radar scope like A-4s as an exampe, the radar still overlap it.  

Another issues is that, most of SF2 default aircraft does not have texture-able radar scope for 'turned off' radar, so it seem strange how CRT (texture) would suddenly show up when turnig radar on. I wished that the radar scope woudl be texture-able, so that it seem taht only radar lines / symbols / shapes would appear, therefore preserving the immersive experiences.

2) Lighting, after attempting to use the actual colors of radar scope based on the pictures, as an example,  they usually show upup too bright comnpared ot another instructments / avionics in cockpit. So they need to be darken, in order to blend naturall in cockpits.  And another issue is radar colors of green, it need to be readable, therefore further darken the texture.  So they might will appear  darker compared to the photo.  (I am currenlty wokring on this part on both F-89s and A-4s radar scope and RWR new textures).

3) Avionics DLLs, there are only two DLLs I believe, that we can use either one of Avionics DLL for early and modern aircraft.  But I still have the hope.  The reason why I have hope is because, I am part of the community that is modding Jane's series simulation.  That simulation is almost 30 years old and people still mods it.  It amazes me, therefore gives me hopes.

Besides the lmitation, it does not stop us from wanting to create the mods that would improve the experiences in avioincs.  What inspired me to do this, I was customizing SF2 installation for early cold war era (My favorite era), in Asia, midddle east, and other theatre, along with later cold war era, I noticed that there is always room of growth and improvement for cockpits.  That is when I came up the awy to improve F-89 series radar scope, as you can see it in another theatre abou Stary's F-89 cockpits.  Then here it is, SF2: Avionics Community Pack!

What would be great help if we can share the pictures and information on the avioinics for various planes, so we can get busy with the  avioniocs improvement.  

If anyoneo have the requests for radar scope, or any avioinics improvement, it would be great help if the resources can be provided too.

The next posts will cover what I am doing with both F-89s and A-4s  gunsights, radar scope, and rwr, along with F-89's radar scope.


Cheers!

Edited Saturday at 02:16 AM by Eagle114th

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NOTE: 

THe new screnshots with F-89s and A-4s radar scop eand RWR will be posted after further adjhusting the darkness of radar scope and RWRs.


Eagle114th

Edited Saturday at 02:17 AM by Eagle114th

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F-89 Radar scope, it is no longer too bright in cockpits and is readable.  Feedback is always helpful, so should I make radar scope a bit darker?




Eagle114th

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A-4's new radar scope, RWR, and gunsight

I am stil researching on the different RWR variants of A-4s have used.  The texture of RWR is based on the pictures of AN/APR-23, it can be found here:  https://phantomphacts.blogspot.com/p/usn-ew-equipment.html

I realized that the RWR may seem too bright, so I am re-working on the colors of RW and darken it (Due to SF2 lighting rendering system).

And in the future, if anyone found more pictures avionics and requires re-texture, I am more than happy to do it, if time permits.

Edited Saturday at 03:40 AM by Eagle114th

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After re-adjsuting the darkness of the texture for radar scop eand RWR:




Eagle114th

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Helloe veryone!

It have been very interesting projets working on gunisghts for K-14, A-1CM and A-4 sued by various aircraft in late 40s to 60s.  What led me into looking for the information, I was looking for the type of gunsight F-89s used, it is quite challenging to find.  What I found out is that F-89A to C uses A-1CM gunsight.  (Please correct me if I am wrong).

I am still researching on F-89D, H, and J model on the radar-guide sight they use.  If anyonoe have information and pictures for me.  Pleae post it here.

the gunsight from excelent Korea war gunsight reticle is being reworked with specific color, as was done for A-4 Skyhawk.  Here are screenshot (the blue background is added on purpose, so you can see what it looks like when using it in SF2):

K-14 (I am uncetain about the diamond outer of center. From whaat I have seen, they are either short and wide or/and thin and long. So please post feedbck on this)



Next is A-1CM Radar aided gunsight



Finally, here are two of A-4 Radar Aided gun reticles





The templates that is used to create the gunsights will be provided in the first releae of SF2: ACP, so anyone can use it to use.


Eagle114th

Edited Saturday at 09:48 AM by Eagle114th

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The gunisght used by A-1 and A-4 are further polished and they appear to be bit brghter compared to USAF gunsigh.



(To anyone who know which Mark gunsight it is, please let me know.  I am gathering the information on each gunsight type used by various aircraft.)


Eagle114th

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A-1s with new gunsight

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Hello everyone!

F-8 Crusader avionics are being worked on now.  Here is updated Mark 11 gunsight



And the leading symbols also match the colors of Mark 11 gunsight




The radar scope texture is being worked on.  When they are completed, the screenshot in F-8s will be posted.


Eagle114th

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sweet deal, cant wait.

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Hello everyone!

It have been long days gathering the information on F-8s and F-89s cockpit, gunsight, FCS / Radar scope / screen, etc...

To my surprise, F-89 is quite very interestinga nd complciated inthe evolution of avionics.  This is why I find late 40s to 70s avionics to be most interesting!

What I realized is that (Always feel to correct me if I make mistakes from my finding on specific aircraft avionics), is that F-89D to J did not have gunsight, unlike early series (F-89A to C).  And that F-89A to C uses A-1C(M) gunsight which is same used in early series of F-86s.  however, the F-86D and later uses more advanced Hughes FCS (Fire control System) that no longer reply on seperated radar.  For example, F-89A and B uses Hughes E-1 FCS with AAN/APG-33, then F-89D use improved E-4 FCS with AN/APG-40 radar and AN/APA-84 computer.  Then F-89D uses E-6 FCS ,.  F-89H operated with E_9, evnetualy E-9 get get further imprpoved and modified, therefore became MG-12 for F_89J.

now the biggest question , how do we 'simulate' E-6, E-9, and MG-12 in SF2? That's the question.

However, for F-89A to C, it have some challenges.  I want to figure out how to simulate their system.

However, at the same time, managed to find the pictures of F-8s cockpit with differnt radar upgrades.  The biggest challenge is that most pictures are in black / white, which mean I can not tell which color it is exactly.  So I am using an educaated guesses, based on finding the colorized picture I cn find and find the pattern in radar scope color.  I want to make sure I have the accurate colors.

However, here are screenshot of F8U-1 / F-8A with new Mark 11 Mod 7 gunsight reticles:




The radar scope texture is being worked on for F-8 series too.


Eagle114th

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Hello everyone!

Based on the manual and the picture of F_8B cockpit:



Here is in--game screen shot with new texture for radar scope:|

(NOTE: I sincerely apologize, I forgot to mention that I am using the excelelnt radar texture from both SF2 (TW) and dtmdragon F-8 packs as base for radar overhaul for all variants of F8U / F-8.)

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Eagle114th

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Please note, I cam not use exact acccurate color becasue if I do, , it appear too bright inside the cockpit.  Realistically, the radar scope does not glow in cockpit, only the radar symbols that is being displayed through radar scope screen right?  By nature of how lighting / darkness work in SF2 cockpit, had to darken the original texture.

Here is an example, if I do not darken the radar scope texture:

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I am continuing to re-adjust the color to try to bring it closer to actual F_8 radar screen color. I would like to request for feedback on this please.

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(NOTE: I am using the excelelnt radar texture from both SF2 (TW) and dtmdragon F-8 packs as base for radar overhaul for all variants of F8U / F-8.)

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Here is picture of F-8D cockpits and radar scope from flight manual:

Edited 18 hours ago by Eagle114th

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F8U-2NE / F-8E radar now completed:

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F-8H (1967)



F-8H (1969 and later version)

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Hello everyone,

After a long time searching for informaiton that is quite cahllenging to find;  The optical sight used by F-89D and later varaint (?).  From what I learned, F-89A to C uses A-1C(M) gunsight while F-89D had gunsight removed and replaced by N-9 optical sight while having E-6 FCS, AN/APG-40 radar, and cAN/APA-84 computer installed.  

Here is information about N-9 Sight from flight manual:




Based on the information about recticle, there is still no information on the colors. so I amusing the standard recticle color used by various gunsight for now as placeholder.  Here is rectile:




Please let me know if it looks right.


Eagle114th

 

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as for F-89 work, i wish you a  great amount of luck

you gotta figure the ones that trully know are either niche super fans of the aircraft or crewed it and are now in their 70s or 80s.