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Whoever the pilot was, he was good, we know that much. Yep,he certainly was good,definetly one of the better ones,I like the idea of his identity remaining obscure. for one, the US would definetly have to recognize that there are excellent pilots in the other teams and train as such,for 2 there are some legends that are best leave as that..like who really shot down the red baron? was it a lucky shot by a bifocal wearing guy or the flying skill of Capt Brown ?,how many kills did maj bong really have(there was a whole lotta water to fly back to on both sides) could another 20/30 birds be added to his tally of damaged birds crashing on the way back..how about Col Gabreski,he was credited with 6 1/2 or so birds strafed and blown up,is straffing 'less' of a kill than blowing him out of the ski?(theres the flak and stuff all shooting up at you) his 28 plus those 7 1/2 plus the 6 or so in korea we have the American Ace of Aces...why did tommy mcguire crash? did he just used up his luck? did he get shot down but took a bit for the damage to do him in/,did he get too arrogant or tuneled vision and overstressed his p-38?...yeah there ought be legends,gives us chairborne aces something to ponder,to admire and respect..

Not only skill provide that-NVAF pilots didn't have time shift's like American pilots I have to agree,thats one reason the german kill tallies are so big,they were flying over homeland(same went for the raf in battle of britain) so even if shot down more likely return to duty,plus all the targets available...russians had the same problem...to me thats another reason why the scores of gabreski,johnson,zemke et are impressive,they did it in one tour(for the most part) and over enemy territory,it has been studied in a few ways,one being to compare a american ace record against one german,the results balanced out rather well in kills per mission,tour and other ways..but our guys usually had the one tour,the enemy flew till severly wounded,dead or captured..by 72 our pilots had begun red flag and top-gun training,I think the balance was pretty even by then..

sneaked upon two F-4Js of the VF-92 and attacked them at the same moment Phantoms came under a heavy flak fire. Le Thanh Dao fired the first K-13, damaging the Phantom of Cdr. H. Blackburn/Lt. S. Rudloff; his second K-13 blew the fin of the F-4J (Lt. Rudloff believed that an 85mm shell shot the fin off) humm interesting,in ww2 a polish pilot of the 56th fg was being chased by germans,he flew right over a airfield(fast!) and the guys were shot down by their own flak..what is the range of the k13? what is considered heavy fire(numerous stories abound of flak over vietnam being heavier than over berling..) Im not doubting,just being a devils advocate so to speak...

Once VPAF pilots transitioned into the MiG-21, and even moreso the MiG-21MF, they did not change aircraft types. This was a honor, as they were the hottest aircraft around and had the added advantage of the GSh-23 gun pack, thus giving a modicum of a fair fight once missiles were expended. There are several pictures that Do show supposedly the aircraft of viet aces,they at times show two different birds,i.e a 17 and a 21 with same ammount of kill marks,makes a bit of sense since I understand the 17 was a much better dogfighter,the viets would have allowed them to fly both types?(depending how lucky they felt that day perhaps)...

My wife has been nagging at me for spending too much time on the computer. Welcome to the club,just make sure that once in a while you get her some flowers,perfume,a peck on the cheek and she ought be a happy pup...then again....

Those are illegal in the State of Indiana..... Me thinks they are only legal in chicago and the sopranos set....... ;)

"might be right but..." LOL LOL LOL......I will say tho,If it did happen I think our guys definetly needed the red flag excersises and the top gun school.....then again a lot of the sqn leaders and wing commanders were ww2 and korean aces,that kind of stuff would happen just Once....

Turbo Shafts Damm I hate those.......

FireHawk,any one can be a daddy,it takes a Man to raise a son,sounds to Me you did a Excellent Job!!! so dont know yourself down,sounds as tho you DID put that Decent thinggy in him.....by the way,with some luck he might decide become a jarheaded Ordie......

gee where are you guys getting those news from??????????? the alphabet stations keep saying we are loosing and stuck in a quagmire.....................

Neat pic.wont last long tho,soon one whiskey delta is going to find it offensive,or wait till barbie boxer sees it......

We could ask the russian air force....their su-25 is basic copy of the ya-9....

Yes there are some rather amazing acts performed by those Men...try reading what roy benavidez did...or audie murphy,that one still has a special place..of course some of those awards are really not earned or earned dubiously,I dont think douglas macarthur should have gotten it,hell he got it for retreating and leaving his whole command,Gen wainwright was nominated but macarthur turned it down saying he surredendered ,amazing aint it,one guy runs the other stays and goes to pw camp...

In the best Cavalry voice.. Yo!....ready to go,coffeee iv is in,noise cancelation headset on(it does pee the wife off tho),listening to CCR.....yeah definetly set Sir

ahh the paint jobs that could be done for this birds....lets see, pr star ang,orange tail and wingtips,....

He also enjoying playing with U.S. pilots, usually Air Force F-4 jocks, just for the fun of it. There are a number of instances where F-4 flights would suddenly gain a PFM wingman; it was usually "Ton" flying formation with them, and more often than not with bare missile rails. Once spotted, he would usually give a cheery wave, go inverted, and split-S away on full burner. Im having a real difficult time going into believe mode on this...oh I admit it might have occured,but I dont think it happened many times..it probablly did not happen to a 4 ship flight,or the e model rhinos...it probablly did not happen to any bird that had a gun(pod) hung or installed...as for the wave and going inverted and outta there?(maybe the viets have seen 'top gun' once too often) somehow I cant see a mig 17 or 21 outrunning a f-4 in a dive..nor do I see (even) air force pilots just letting this happen and allow the insulter to go merrily along his way.......if nothing else mr gravity is in the favor of the much much heavier american yankee imperialist dogs... and their f-4 and f-105s...you might be right,of course,but I just had to put in my 50cents worth(yeah inflation in cliches too).....

So then what is the difference between a P-51 and an F-51, other than the P and F? I mean, I'm sure they made some, if few, enhancements. as was said,the Basic change was just in the designation,of course both the f-51 and f-47 did get some improvements,one of the biggest questions asked about the deployment of f-51s to korea has been why they were sent in the first place,the f-47 was a much,much better ground attack platform,with those 8 .50s and radial engine that could(and did in ww2) take a Lot of damage..in ww2 there were numerous stories of a/c coming back with up to 7 or 8 cylinders shot,not bad for a 18 cylinder engine huh..there were other examples of f-47s coming back with way over 200 hits on them,a notable one being Lt R.S. Johnsoin of the 61st Fighter Squadron...the highest scoring ace in the ETO was Lt Col Gabreski,hell he either shot himself down with a ricochet bullet or hit the ground with his propeller,either way it shows the bird could take a whole lot of damage as I would think doing over 150mph and hitting ground would do most birds in........unless its a carrier bird....

there are a number of luft'46 concept airplanes for mickeys fs and they do look menacing,advanced..some of them actually did fly in latter a/c such as the pulqui,the x-5,the mig 15 the f-86 and the f-92/f-102/106 series..perhaps some of our ace modelers,terrain and campain gurus might get tempted to do some models foir strike fighters ....that might trully be awesome...

You gotta get the hamster to run faster!!!!!

(Chief) but gotta find a place for all the stuff I have in my room. Only so many places to put things, ya know. Hi there Chief!!! well you can allways get rid of your wifes stuff,make room for yours in your castle.......... yeah sure you will LOL LOL....mine would disconnect me from my cojones real quick!! but yeah screenies!! there are a few programs that allow you to use two monitors in fs tho,so you ought be able rig what you mentioned..

Hell yes!!! maybe even one of the pilots that won the MOH while flying the bird..

/wife 0 /kids 0 hummm I dont know..some wifes if trained properly are a good thing,as are kids,again if properly trained...................

ohhhhhh!!!!!!!!! is America Great country or what...chat,kill and pizza ordering..whats next?

I did Not say the IAf had not thundered before,we All KNOW it did and has and will,I was however refering to the IDF and its tank colum about 90kms from damascus..I think it was in the 73 war..

ran across thgis over at drudge,does anyone have more info?? was it f-16s or f-15 s?.... Israel downed 2 Syrian MiGs last September over sea SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Friday, February 11, 2005 Diplomatic sources said Israel Air Force F-16 multi-role fighters intercepted and downed two Syrian MiG-29 fighter-jets last year. The sources said the dogfight took place in September 2004 over the eastern Mediterranean Sea. This was the first engagement between Israeli and Syrian fighter-jets since the 1980s. The sources said the air battle took place when Israel Air Force fighter-jets buzzed the Syrian city of Latakia, a port used by Iran for the shipment of weapons to Hizbullah. The Washington-based Reform Party of Syria first provided details of the Israeli-Syrian dogfight. RPS said the air battle took place on Sept. 14, 2004, adding that both downed pilots were rescued by Syrian military helicopters, Middle East Newsline reported. RPS, quoting a European source, said the Israeli fighter-jets used an Israeli-origin Python-4 air-to-air missile to down one of the MiG-29s. The other Syrian MiG-29 was shot down by a U.S.-origin AIM-9M Sidewinder. The pilots of the MiG-29s were identified by RPS as Maj. Arshad Midhat Mubarak and Capt. Ahmad Al Khatib. Diplomatic sources said the Syrian losses led President Bashar Assad to accelerate efforts to procure advanced anti-aircraft systems from Russia. Syria has requested a range of anti-aircraft systems, including the SA-18, TOR-M1, S-300PMU2 and the S-400 systems. The most likely Russian sale to Damascus is that of the SA-18, the sources said. They said Russia would supply the first SA-18 short-range systems – either directly or through a third country – within several months. In January, Russia and Syria – overriding objections from Israel and the United States – agreed on the sale of the SA-18 to Damascus. Russian officials said the sale of the SA-18 would not violate any international arms agreement. "Russia has cooperated with Syria for decades, and my country is convinced that Syria has a strong right to get defensive weapons," Russian ambassador in Tunisia Aleksei Tserub said. sounds as if syria is getting ready to be the next terrorist backer on the hit parade..wonder how long it would take the idf to thunder into damascus....