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Thanks Bandy for your measured and civil review. It is refreshing to see an honest warts and all take on things, without (just perhaps lol) the misguided passion of a chastened catch who offers his apology to those he offended. I hope the discussion, and possible further reviews, continue in a civil manner.

For the record I have the utmost respect for what Pete has done and continues to do with FE's FM's. As I said I wish him well. It is a very frustrating and time consuming business indeed. I'm sure he will agree with that. This link gives you all details about OFF Phase 3 http://www.overflandersfields.com/ And this link is the developers forum http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?f=8 I'll leave it at that.

Lol yep still pluggin' Pete Major flight sims I've played or play are IL2 1946, FE, BOBII WOV, FS9 on top of OFF and that's enough for me. OFF beats them all imo. But WW1 is my favourite theatre of aerial combat. If I like a product I'll promote it quite happily. Yes ROF does look outstanding. Look forward to seeing how it turns out. As for OFF there's huge negativity here so I'm obviously wasting my time. Have fun converting those jet FM's' into acceptable WW1 flight models in FE. I wish you the best of luck Pete.

Mutton ! DX7 ! Derision ! Elitism ! Pinto ? You guys are very colourful and imaginative. Okay for those who wish to inform themselves rather than speculate you can check the screenies and vids here as well as other stuff. Total cost $59 US (includes postage). For that you get the Over Flanders Fields: Between Heaven and Hell DVD in an artfully decorated DVD case. If you're not interested I fully understand http://www.overflandersfields.com/info.htm

No I think you're entirely right Bandy. But then I'm one of those horrible biased OFF guys. So I'll be hung, drawn and quartered here no doubt. But I look forward to it. It will be highly amusing. Gotta laugh at some of the other comments. Pure misinformed speculation. Obviously nothing will change their minds. The ones that purchase it will be the winners. 50 bucks too expensive ! God give me strength.

Wow ! I love this stuff. Great find Pete.

Relax Pete

Lol Pete. A most enjoyable retort We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point. When you purchase P3 and fly the dynamic campaign perhaps we can re-engage the debate. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Yes, OFF does have a mission builder.

Not at all Pete. Most OFFers are quite disappointed that kots/rof/aof is not living up to the hype. No dynamic campaign, no mission builder, no publisher, no complete package. Age of Rippoffovich. Early days of course and it has great potential but I don't like its current direction. If it ever gets released I hope the developers reconsider. As for OFF, it seems the unfortunate cfs3 stigma lives on for some. Time you got over that gentlemen. A little research and perhaps actually playing the sim would highlight that OFF bears little resemblance to cfs3. P3 will remove itself further from cfs3. Even the kots boys over at SimHQ are now admitting P3 looks damn good. And it will be released as a complete package. With a dynamic campaign. http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?...440#Post2574440

It's been a while since I dropped in here. Here's another OFF P3 video from the OFF Team to check out if you so wish. Open it or right click and save. Hope you enjoy it. http://s199142289.websitehome.co.uk/OFFP3/...iew_Movie_6.wmv

Enjoy ! http://www.overflandersfields.com/movies/P...iew_Movie_3.wmv

As Jedi indicated campaign mode is where the AI works best and it has been improved further in P3. And not every sortie in WW1 resulted in massive dogfights so just count yourself lucky and enjoy the pretty view ....

Welcome back Ken . Nasty business this RSI ! Glad to see you're on the improve. Down in Flames is BACK !!!!

I'm saddened to see this. I've been lurking every few days hoping for a word from Ken but it's not looking good. It's a shame. Ken seemed to be a lovely bloke and very enthusiastic about his project. I wish him well and hope all is okay. DIF was going so well in early development and in fact was racing along at a rapid pace. I just wonder if we should have left him alone ? The more solutions/suggestions that were offered the more he seemed to go down a rathole .... and at the end it may have been all too much for him. As I said very sad. Then again he may be back into his music and having a ball ! I hope so .....

Yes some very interesting comments. Foxendown, you may need a better PC to fully appreciate OFF .... it does need a fair bit of grunt to run well .... but the results are worth it. And the scenery/terrain is the best there is imo if you can afford to have the graphic sliders on 3 or above. WM has done some magnificent work in this area. All aircraft in P3 will be 2048 textures but a lot are already in P2. Set the aircraft slider to 5 (always) and the cockpit detail is there. And the all important flight model .... well it's pretty damn good all things considered ..... there are limitations imposed by CFS3 but hopefully the devs can crack the code and get around some minor (but important to us WW1 nuts) quibbles. At the end of the day .... all WW1 flight sims rule the skies. 2008 should be interesting.

Read about current developments of OFF Phase3 here .... http://offaerodrome.com/OFFweb/ .... or check out the forum here .... http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

Coming together nicely Ken . Justin, it's Knights over Europe that's been pulled. KotS is still going apparently ..... maybe others in the know will provide an update ? It's hard to find anything recently relevant on their forum. cheers, catch.

Lol Justin/jrk9 ! I'm catch22 over there ! Thought Ken may be interested in reading some of the positive comments .... if he hasn't already ? He needs all the support he can get so I hope something good comes from your OFF thread.

Hi Ken .... surmounting obstacles again ! Your persistence is admirable. As you no doubt have realised the OFF forum has a thread dedicated to DIF and it is generating interest. All the best. Cheers, catch. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=49053

I say .... bally poor show regarding these "rebranding" chaps ! Mutinous rabble ! In my day they would be shot for sedition, lack of moral fibre and a distorted sense of duty ! Carry on ....

I missed out on the RB series but from what I've been told it is the grand daddy of WW1 flight sims and rightfully deserves the pedastal on which it is placed so highly. Having said that and with no experience of actually playing RB I essentially agree with Redwolf's synopsis of the remaining sim's with OFF a clear winner. I would recommend it to anybody and a few of the modders involved with various incarnations of RB now work for the OFF team. The current Phase2 is a free download but Phase3 will be payware and promises to suceed RB as the pre-eminent WW1 combat flight sim. These guys are very serious about getting it right. They are not "lite" by any means.

I agree about those trees !!!! And I also agree to stay away from the IL2 method. In WW1 you don't fly as high as WWII and generally lose altitide during dogfights so (if you are still alive) you're slugging it out at ground level and IL2 scenery would look like ... well crap. Good scenery is in my opinion very important for WW1 flight sims but of course it's always a balancing act between quality and frames. A little trickery here and there doesn't hurt. But you've got a good handle on this Ken and once again I'm astounded by your progress and good taste ! Good to see you're still enthused and keep up the excellent work. All the best, Catch. Edit: looking forward very much to a demo :)

Been away a while ..... good to see some excellent progress Ken

Mmmmm love that Parasol Ken. Nice work ! Thanks for sharing the pics. I'm very sorry to hear you had issues with skinners. Keep smilin' and stay happy. I look forward to future developments of DIF.

No problem Ken. Personally, I just admire what you're doing basically all by yourself. Sometimes the human condition depresses me but I am lifted by your non-conditional enthusiasm and passion. No money no greed no power no ego no manipulation .... just the love of it. Now that's refreshing