+Sparkchaser2010 Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 Hey Zur, not sure if you have tried this regarding the overheating engine issue but the "pulse jet" could be modeled as multiple engines in the arrangement of the pulse jets on the Talon. I haven't looked at your latest creation yet but this would drop the max thrust on each engine but still keep the overall value intact. If this has already been tried then disregard Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 Hey Zur, not sure if you have tried this regarding the overheating engine issue but the "pulse jet" could be modeled as multiple engines in the arrangement of the pulse jets on the Talon. I haven't looked at your latest creation yet but this would drop the max thrust on each engine but still keep the overall value intact. If this has already been tried then disregard Tis the way she's done... your disregarded. LOL! Still needs a little temp delta adjustment... I was testing her in level flight... seems dive speeds in excees of Mach 4.0 make her go boom (Why anyone would want to go more than Mach 4 is beyond me) Still... thanks to everyone for the feedback! This kind of shared input make a "so-so" release into a winner IMHO! Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 my reactions....... 8) okay.. hud may be useful...(but why circular?)... hope someone does it though, but once its done it would be real nice huh? one last thing.... has anyone done the job of modelling the special Stealth pilot? that would complete the look..... applause for you hard work on the talon dude! we salute you!!! Thanks for the Kudos! The Circular HUD idea was a conceptual thing... Figured most HUDs are rectangular... choose a shape that would stand-out/be different - modern. I do intend to do a Stealth Pilot. Not sure if it'll be with the final release or releasd separate/later... all depends on personal time I can commit to the project. Quote
atoll1 Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 And you've certianly got a winner Zur!!! Glad to know from this forum that I'm not the only one experiencing the talon catching fire. Perhaps some short guideline as to what works best (or what not to do) with the talon is in order? Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) And you've certainly got a winner Zur!!! Glad to know from this forum that I'm not the only one experiencing the talon catching fire. Perhaps some short guideline as to what works best (or what not to do) with the talon is in order? Well... in a nutshell.... don't go faster than Mach 4. Sorry... I had to do it! LOL! Seriously... with the speed this bird can develop in short order, keeping it within manageable performance profile is paramount. Sure you can "go" Mach 4, but the slightest directional input puts you in red/black out... so it's only useful getting from point A to point B. (And running down an home-bound enemy...) I find it's sweet spot is between 400 -to- 500 knots. Superbly maneuverable and steady as a rock. While dogfighting, I like to chop-throttle, horse the nose around (while blacked out), throttle out of this to find myself with massive lead on the plane I'm chasing (Usually a 29 or 27) ... though sometime they reverse while I'm blacked out... and I'm chasing air... so it's not perfect. Edited March 5, 2007 by Zurawski Quote
Blind Faith Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Love the plane... specialy now that I have seen the movie (best $5 spent on a DVD) Whenever I will need more Jessica Biel I will rerun it. Thank you for a great plane. Quote
Shin_kazama Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Thanks for the Kudos! The Circular HUD idea was a conceptual thing... Figured most HUDs are rectangular... choose a shape that would stand-out/be different - modern. I do intend to do a Stealth Pilot. Not sure if it'll be with the final release or releasd separate/later... all depends on personal time I can commit to the project. well the new hud reminds me of my mom's bathroom mirror... just a joke... AND i have found how to increase internal weapons bay capacity .. // Weapon Stations --------------------------------------------------------- [WeaponsBay1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=01 StationGroupID=1 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=USN,USAF,NATO AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=7 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail01 AutomaticDoors=TRUE [WeaponsBay2] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=02 StationGroupID=2 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=8 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail02 AutomaticDoors=TRUE [WeaponsBay3] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=03 StationGroupID=3 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,ARM,EOGR,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC AttachmentPosition001=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151 AttachmentPosition002=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=9 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail03 AutomaticDoors=TRUE now it is no longer scary to fight 10 flankers with hard settings with only me and my wingman.... enjoy.... p.s. dunno if this would work in the f-23 Edited March 6, 2007 by Shin_kazama Quote
Shin_kazama Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 well the new hud reminds me of my mom's bathroom mirror...just a joke... AND i have found how to increase internal weapons bay capacity .. // Weapon Stations --------------------------------------------------------- [WeaponsBay1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=01 StationGroupID=1 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=USN,USAF,NATO AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=7 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail01 AutomaticDoors=TRUE [WeaponsBay2] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=02 StationGroupID=2 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=8 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail02 AutomaticDoors=TRUE [WeaponsBay3] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=03 StationGroupID=3 NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this...... StationType=INTERNAL AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,ARM,EOGR,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC AttachmentPosition001=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151 AttachmentPosition002=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=5.0 LengthLimit=5.0 LoadLimit=2600 BombBayAnimationID=9 BombBayOpenTime=.25 BombBayCloseTime=.25 MovingPylon=TRUE ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail03 AutomaticDoors=TRUE now it is no longer scary to fight 10 flankers with hard settings with only me and my wingman.... enjoy.... p.s. dunno if this would work in the f-23 and oh.... is it possible to build into the talon vtol capbility just like in the movie? who could design the movie-accurate pilot skin? well that's all i got to ask dude........ you know if other modders follow the pre releasing style of modding like you do, then most of our virtual pilots would help the modder what he may have missed in the modding process..... i observe that most other modders just relaese the full version mod....... naaah.. just thinking aloud...... Quote
Skelator56 Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Well... in a nutshell.... don't go faster than Mach 4. Sorry... I had to do it! LOL! Seriously... with the speed this bird can develop in short order, keeping it within manageable performance profile is paramount. Sure you can "go" Mach 4, but the slightest directional input puts you in red/black out... so it's only useful getting from point A to point B. (And running down an home-bound enemy...) I find it's sweet spot is between 400 -to- 500 knots. Superbly maneuverable and steady as a rock. While dogfighting, I like to chop-throttle, horse the nose around (while blacked out), throttle out of this to find myself with massive lead on the plane I'm chasing (Usually a 29 or 27) ... though sometime they reverse while I'm blacked out... and I'm chasing air... so it's not perfect. Hello Zur, I am a new guy to this site. I've had SFP1 and WoV for about a year now and enjoy the Talon that you have made! As for your stealth pilot, I have a picture of the proposed HMD, flight gear, and seat that the F-35 folks are looking at for their aircraft. I cannot wait to see the final iteration! Check Six Skelator Quote
atoll1 Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Shortest, most sensible guide I've seen LOL. Thanks again for a great plane! Quote
+Wrench Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Adding that type of helmet to an existing skin might not be too difficult... the only problem I see is that the late style sage green flight suit 'skin' used on the pilot figure is no longer available. We'd have to create a totally new skin; editing the existing lods in not a problem (I've always used the 3rdW originals), as long as the bmp name stays within the standard naming convention; ie 7 charachters max. I'll add this to my 'gotta look at this' projects..... Wrench Kevin Stein Quote
+Wrench Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Ok, so I lied... Results of a couple hours work: 1st iteration, basic helmet/face/suit,etc More color adjustments and such, a hour or so later.... got the suit in the 'almost' right gray. The only major problem is that the harness straps (in the movie) are black. I desaturated the torso harness layer, and it's closer. But I think it's pretty good as is. Might want to draw some more widgets and do-dads on the helmet. (why don't cable play it when I need it!!!???!!!) The face is right off that picture above, so that answers somebody's question from a while back about adding photos to your pilot's face Other than the gee-gaws for the helmet, this lady is ready to fly. (of course, if you want a mans face....and there don't seem to be any boobs here) Whatya think Zur, or anyone? Want it? Wrench Kevin Stein ps: now I know why Diego said the psd for his HGU pilots ran to 70 megs!! This one's over 3, and not near as detailed! Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) I dig it! All "I" would have to do is slap a man-face on there... I've had my taste of the "other side"... no thank-you. LOL! Edited March 7, 2007 by Zurawski Quote
Guest Saganuay82 Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 I dig it! All "I" would have to do is slap a man-face on there... I've had my taste of the "other side"... no thank-you. LOL! LOLOLOL http://uk.geocities.com/hindgunship/jessica_biel_stealth.jpg Come on!!!!! Quote
+Wrench Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 Hell, you WON didn't you???? I'll see what I can come up with... Sag's pic shows exactly what I was trying for; ah....let me rephrase that... the harness type/color I was trying for, anyway. Come to think of it, look at pic 4...is that chest sticking out a little? or am I just giving in to my longings...... Wrench Kevin Stein Quote
serverandenforcer Posted March 7, 2007 Posted March 7, 2007 If you were ever really interested in making an actual HMD helmet, here's a site to go to... http://www.ausairpower.net/hmd-technology.html Quote
+Wrench Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ok, as requested here's a male pilot: Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me) How's this one look to ya, Zur?? Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections????? Wrench Kevin Stein Quote
Shin_kazama Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ok, so I lied...Results of a couple hours work: 1st iteration, basic helmet/face/suit,etc More color adjustments and such, a hour or so later.... got the suit in the 'almost' right gray. The only major problem is that the harness straps (in the movie) are black. I desaturated the torso harness layer, and it's closer. But I think it's pretty good as is. Might want to draw some more widgets and do-dads on the helmet. (why don't cable play it when I need it!!!???!!!) The face is right off that picture above, so that answers somebody's question from a while back about adding photos to your pilot's face Other than the gee-gaws for the helmet, this lady is ready to fly. (of course, if you want a mans face....and there don't seem to be any boobs here) Whatya think Zur, or anyone? Want it? Wrench Kevin Stein ps: now I know why Diego said the psd for his HGU pilots ran to 70 megs!! This one's over 3, and not near as detailed! you still asking that if we want it? dont ask, just post it.... nice work done there.. can you modd the head so that it has a full face visor? i'd like to stick in my photo there..... Quote
Shin_kazama Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ok, as requested here's a male pilot: Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me) How's this one look to ya, Zur?? Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections????? Wrench Kevin Stein yupp..... i think itz josh lucas(Ben gannon).... yep i do think it is..... Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 8, 2007 Posted March 8, 2007 Ok, as requested here's a male pilot: Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me) How's this one look to ya, Zur?? Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections????? Wrench Kevin Stein Sweet as all-get-up! I'm so glad there's folks like yourself around who have talent... Quote
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 Do you have a third version with closed helm? with black glass Quote
Shin_kazama Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 (edited) Talon_differences.bmp dear zur, some differences found while rerunning tho movie stealth for the umpteenth time... hope you take note... my question is that why does ben gannon's talon have an extended canard? it still baffles me... Edited March 17, 2007 by Shin_kazama Quote
+Zurawski Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Talon_differences.bmp dear zur, some differences found while rerunning tho movie stealth for the umpteenth time... hope you take note... my question is that why does ben gannon's talon have an extended canard? it still baffles me... As I understand it... All three Talons are "slightly" different. Talon-1 appears to be the pinical of the design, while Talon-2 and -3 are older ones. Quote
serverandenforcer Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 As I understand it... All three Talons are "slightly" different. Talon-1 appears to be the pinical of the design, while Talon-2 and -3 are older ones. I noticed some differences too between this model and the movie model other than what Shin_kazama pointed out. But I'm not going to say what they are because, 1.) you've worke really hard on this model as obvious as it is, and 2.) I'm just happy to get a Talon that looks this good. So I say carry on with what you're doing. Quote
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