Nieuport 28

[Alexander51 3]

Dear TexMurphy and EmlD:

 

Just got done flying the latest incarnation of this ever-evolving N28.

I collided with a Fokker Dr.1 and lost my entire tail section. The

strange thing is that I was still able to maintain full elevator response!

Flight model was in HARD setting.

 

Don't know if anyone else has reported this type of event, but I thought

I should alert you to it. Next time I'll remember to take a screenie :)

Otherwise I still love this aeroplane. Great job my friends <S>

 

Craigster guy

[+EmlD 3]

Thanx MrCraig41 for the report... i changed few lines in the data.ini.... hope it works (not sure)

 

Here another problem, it depends maybe on the upper one....

 

Why, when i shot off the Tail, does the VertTail detach, but Stabilizers do not..?

 

 

I think it has something with the DamageRating to do.

What is actually a differense between

 

DamageRating=DESTROYED

DamageRating=DISABLED

DamageRating=HEAVY

 

???

 

 

EmlD

[Guest capun]

Thanx MrCraig41 for the report... i changed few lines in the data.ini.... hope it works (not sure)

 

Here another problem, it depends maybe on the upper one....

 

Why, when i shot off the Tail, does the VertTail detach, but Stabilizers do not..?

 

I think it has something with the DamageRating to do.

What is actually a differense between

 

DamageRating=DESTROYED

DamageRating=DISABLED

DamageRating=HEAVY

 

???

EmlD

 

IMHO, The problem is that the tail got destroyed and detached, but everything that was linked to the tail get detached at the same time, but since they were not hit, they did not detached individually

 

Try to add this variables to your Tail section in the Data ini

 

[Tail]

.

.

.

RemoveNode[001]=StabWires ; just an example

DetachNode[001]=StabLeft ; justa an example

DetachNode[002]=StabRight ; justa an example

 

See if they detach individually

 

Hope it helps

[+TexMurphy 0]

Or dont detach the vert tail from the tail... that way if the tail is shot off it falls off in one piece... unless the vert tail it self got hit...

 

you should be able to have assymetrical detach...

 

tail detaching from body and vert tail from tail you dont need to have it both directions..

 

Tex

 

Another question what N24 version we talking? bis or non bis??

[Red Von Hammer 0]

I think it was a Bis we were talking about in Teamspeak, but am not sure, that`s up to EmlD.

But would be good to clarify so we can dig up info about the plane intended for creation here.

 

S!

 

RvH

[+TexMurphy 0]

Also any specific reason to choosing the less common 24 over the more common 27???

 

Tex

[Red Von Hammer 0]

Well, I can`t speak for EmlD here, but I think having a less common plane in the game would be cool.

EmlD said the plane looked pretty cool from lloydnb`s picture of it as well. But I am not sure and I

won`t say anything for sure, it`s up to EmlD here. It`s his call.

 

S!

 

RvH

[Wodin 0]

Having difficulty in locating the N28 files. The rapidshare link wouldn't load.

 

Can anyone direct me? I hve n older version of the N26 and would like to get the latest.

 

Thanks for the hardwork!

[+TexMurphy 0]

Wodin look on the first page of this thread the link is there...

[Wodin 0]

Link isn't working. Page wont load.

[+TexMurphy 0]

I HATE RAPIDSHARE!!!!! ;)

 

Anyways click the "free" button... wait for ages... select mirror and type in code... download... hope it does download on first attempt or you will have to wait for hours before you can attempt again....

 

Tex

[+EmlD 3]

Hi!

 

It will be a N24 bis... (ruder like N17), one Vickers, and one Lewis MG....

 

Why?...coz of blueprints....the N24 blueprints i have are much better then the blueprints for N27 :)

 

There are a related article http://mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/avia/neupor_xxivbis.htm in russian :) hehe...

there is a data for BIS on that page

Power - 120 h/p

Length- 6,4 m

Wingspan- 8,15 m

Wing Area - 15m2

Max waight - 567kg

Speed - 170 km/h

Climb to 3000m- 9,4min

 

And here my digget up links:

 

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/npt24.htm

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.sear...inct_entry=true

http://ww1.iatp.org.ua/awNewpor24c.htm

http://www.cofe.ru/avia/N/N-46.htm

http://eroplan.boom.ru/shavrov/chr5/forin/france3.htm

http://aircraft.lintec.ru/src/mod/nieu_2427.htm

 

Some date are different on this pages....

 

EmlD

[+EmlD 3]

Ok, sorry for rapidshare....

here N28.rar under first (normal) host.

 

 

http://emld.de/mxcl/downloads/N28.rar

 

 

But templates i leave on rapidshare.

Edited January 24, 2007 by EmlD

[+TexMurphy 0]

thanks for the references EmID

 

just to double check... in the n28.ini

 

LoadoutFile=N28_loadout.ini

 

and not pointing to spad13_loadout.ini

 

Also will you have the same node names for everything on the N24?

 

In that case I could start working on the FM using the N28 3d model...

 

Tex

[+EmlD 3]

Oh, yes ini loadout...fixed, rar updated...

 

N24 will have same stucture...you can start on FM

[+TexMurphy 0]

Updated FM

 

changes

 

1. Lift moved to wing tips

2. Speed tuning, 122 is on the deck and fades a bit too qickly with increased alt.

3. Lowered the climb rate to about 1100 from about 1300

 

The lowering of the climb rate results in a little bit of vertical loss but I do think it was just a tad over the top.

 

Tex

N28_data.txt

[+TexMurphy 0]

EmID

 

What Rx, Ry, Rz values did you use in your MOI calcuations??

 

Tex

[+EmlD 3]

Rx=0.396 Ry=0.387 Rz=0.548

 

I equalized them from SPADs Emptyinertia...and they should be constant....so you can equalize them from FOKKERs empty inertia, the differences should be minimal.

 

(N28.rar updated with new FM)

 

EDIT:

sorry, there is no formula in notes for MomentOfInertia, i didnt change it (is from SPAD)

what i have calculated is EmptyInertia.....

Edited January 24, 2007 by EmlD

[Red Von Hammer 0]

I just wanna mention that you guys are doing a Terrific job at the Nieuport 28!

I love how the cocking handles are moving when the gun is fired!

And the Flight Model, no matter how weird you guys say it is. I think is terrific

as well!

 

Keep up the good work :D

 

Nieuport 28 FTW!! :D

 

Salute!

 

RvH

[+Tailspin 3]

I agree with RVH. I haven't flown the N28 in a while so I loaded up the last version and I like it very much. Great job EmlD, Tex, and everyone else involved. Its been a good experience watching this project develop. Truly a ray of sunshine.

[+TexMurphy 0]

RVH&Tailspin

 

Thanks for the positve feedback guys!

 

EmID

 

I ment the empty inertia... got me self a spreadsheet setup so I can easily calc it for upcomming planes.. ;)

 

Also could you do me a favor Ive got a small typo in the FM....

 

Under LeftAileron

CDdc=0.01295

should be

CDdc=0.0195

 

And

 

Under TopWingTipRight

CLa=0.26042

should be

CLa=0.2642

 

Thanks

 

Tex

Edited January 25, 2007 by TexMurphy

[+EmlD 3]

Hey Tex,

Please check the last INI (few posts above), the CDdc and CLa data is different to your last post....it seems you have made changes and forgot to update it here, and now you correcting mistakes, that you only have.....

 

Do you have TeamSpeak? Just page me in privatM, and i help you to set it up.....so we can tolk to each other.

 

EmlD

[+TexMurphy 0]

lol... you know Im a moron right...

 

N24 and N28 are names soo much alike..

 

Ive started the work on the 24 FM and I must have edited my local N28 FM by mistake.

 

The values in the uploaded version are the correct and the latest.

 

Tex

[+sinbad 27]

Tex -

 

Thanks for all the nitty work which makes this bird fly right.

 

I see one post at 2 am and another at 7:08 - your boss is a real hard case!

 

I am confused. I just found the changes identified in post 196 in the uploaded version of the Data.ini which I got from the link in post 191.

 

Do I keep the changes from post 196 or not?

[+TexMurphy 0]

196 was my mistake ignore it and use the latest attached fm... alterantivly download the N28.rar

 

Reason you see these times is because Im from sweden and my nickname has nothing to do with the state of Texas... ;)

 

Tex

Edited January 25, 2007 by TexMurphy