+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 This here is a thread for erikgens Fiddler WIP, hope he will post a few pics of his work!!!
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 a nice modell http://www.ffmc.de/modelle/flugi/flugi_tu1...lugi_tu128.html for those who don`t know how a fiddler looks like ;-)
+starfighter2 Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 Oh yes we know, we got one WIP - Pasko and me
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Any pics of this bird.. I know always the same request but hey... we need to honor the modders and the planes!
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Thx dave, sorry for opening a new thread, must have missed it... great pics!
+Dave Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Thx dave, sorry for opening a new thread, must have missed it... great pics! No you didn't miss it, it was in the modders forum.
Atreides Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Erikgen, I hope you haven't given up on this aircraft love the work and we can always use the F106 pit for it (just a suggestion) cold war aircraft like these are just fantastic. Oh and btw thank you for the mods you've done so far. Edited February 26, 2009 by Atreides
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I`m realy interested in the upcoming redbirds, Su-24, fiddler.. erwins Su family... mf`s 29 .. what do oyu want more?!.... blue targets .. hehehe
+ErikGen Posted February 27, 2009 Author Posted February 27, 2009 Testing little addiction ... drag chute .
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) If you ask me.. you need a betatester definatly.. I´m here I edited some time ago the Tu-22 to simulate a fiddler.. but it wasn`t the right thing Edited February 27, 2009 by 76.IAP-Blackbird
Jug Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Testing little addiction ... drag chute . I have been waiting for this forever and it looks like it has been worth the wait. Absolutely beautiful work, Erikgen and associates. Thanks ahead of time!!!!!!
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 forgot to say, I looked trough your pics and I don`t see any 3D misstake, this bird is so clean, very nice mesh!!! thumbs up ;-)
Atreides Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Testing little addiction ... drag chute . Cool ! The largest interceptor ever built keeps getting better and better. Thank you so much for the pic.
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 So erikgen, .... any news on this bird?! Need some realy heavy interceptors in my skyes?!
+lindr2 Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) So erikgen, .... any news on this bird?! Need some realy heavy interceptors in my skyes?! It was a unique airplane, I have read recently: R-4R,T has max turn rate 21G max beam elevation tu-128 radar was 70Deg, well trained pilots can launch missles with AoA up to 40 Deg, it means tu-128 can attack low speed planes at 80-100 Deg Hi, this was proved on test, source say. Edited March 15, 2009 by lindr2
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Yep, R-4 my fave air-air missile, from an age when cars and missles had real fins. Except for range and endurance, Tu-128 had very "basic" flight performance, slow and not very high altitude, and was a true "missile carrier" more so than other operational interceptors of the 1960s, in that it couldn't match the flight performance of its potential targets, of which I assume B-58 would be the most extreme case, in neither speed nor altitude. The R-4's huge Classic Car fins allowed high gee and very high altitude flight, much higher than the interceptor could reach. As far as I understand ( ), the idea was to manuever to allow a shot at the higher target, and fire in a shallow climb which allowed a larger radar without requiring lots of radar scan pitchup. Well something like that. The XtremE missile carrier that almost made it was the proposed Douglas F6D Missileer fleet defender. cool pics ~> http://www.anigrand.com/AA2075_XF6D-1.htm Maybe for FC's SWOTUSA project. Kinda like a Super Skynight. Although, I've read of at least one possibly even more extreme interceptor idea: Tu-4 missile carrier, but this didn't go anywhere, as far as I know.
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 what about a Tu-22 missile carrier? That's what Tu-128 is for. -128 was derived from earlier Tu-98 bomber design.
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Yeah I know, but you were talking about a Tu-4 as a missile carrier so I thought about a tu-22 mod...
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I think the Tu-4 idea was a bit optimistic, early 1950s with really ancient missiles, long before Tu-22. But I've read the Chinese used Tu-4 AWACs with big radars to vector interceptors to shoot down a few Ussian drones. I think. I forgot what that was all about. There's alot of stuff not well known. Found this~> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KJ-1_AEWC
+kreelin Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Erikgen and I are still working hard on her I'm working on the Flight Model and have hard time to find reliable infos about its performance. For instance wiki gives 2 different values (one 98KN and one 107KN) about Lyulka AL-7F-2 max power... So any good info are welcome Edited March 17, 2009 by kreelin
Erwin_Hans Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Erikgen and I are still working hard on her I'm working on the Flight Model and have hard time to find reliable infos about its performance. For instance wiki gives 2 different values (one 98KN and one 107KN) about Lyulka AL-7F-2 max power... So any good info are welcome Found something here. Двигатели : 2 ТРД Сатурн (Люлька) АЛ-7Ф2Тяга, кгс : 2 х 10100 So,107KN or 110KN must be right. Edited March 17, 2009 by Erwin_Hans
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