80's Afghanistan campaign

[+The Trooper 104]

After watching the movie "9ta rota" ("9th company" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417397/) I've came up with the idea of making a Soviet campaign about the Afghanistan confict in the 80's. BTW I strongly recommend this movie to every war movie fan. Here are some notable scenes from it:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MwZCyAhjz8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3brfrtWXkk

 

I don't think I could make it alone so anyone who wants is wellcome to join me in this project. I've already started some research and making new templates for MF's MiG-23MLD and skins for 120th IAP based at Bagram and Shindand in 1988 (the picture above).

 

Currently we have almost all the aircraft needed for a good 80's Afghanistan scenario:

 

Soviet VVS:

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MiG-23MLD

MiG-23ML (?)

MiG-27

MiG-29A (?)

Su-17

Mi-24

Mi-8/17

An-12

(we are missing the Su-25 but we can live with this)

 

 

DRAAF:

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MiG-17

MiG-21MF

Su-7

Su-20/22

Il-28

Mi-24

Mi-8/17

 

PAF:

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F-16A (Bl 15)

Mirage III/5

F-6 (MiG-19)

 

IRIAF:

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AH-1J

 

Ground units:

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T-55

T-62

T-72

Pasko's Zil's

A lot of Stinger armed fanatic mujahideen (Maybe we could use Kesselbrut's infantry pack with a proper repaint and a little .ini edit to give them Stingers)

 

What we need most is an Afghanistan terrain, but I am sure that there are people who would be happy to help with this (Gepard, Brain32 ? )

Edited March 22, 2008 by The Trooper

[Stratos 3,188]

Very interisting mate!

[Guest Bounder]

got a copy of that movie while in Iraq Very good flick,hated what happened to the guys going home.

[+ST0RM 145]

Having flown over it just the other day, I was wondering if this would be done. The terrain is amazing. If the people didnt hate us so bad, it would be a cool place to visit.

 

Count me in.

 

Storm

[kiep 0]

SWEET!

[Viggen 643]

Nice idea.

[Gr.Viper 131]

After watching the movie "9ta rota" ("9th company" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417397/) I've came up with the idea of making a Soviet campaign about the Afghanistan confict in the 80's. BTW I strongly recommend this movie to every war movie fan.

Just don't take the movie seriously... the story kinda wanders off real events much as possible.

 

Stinger armed fanatic mujahideen

Those who fly Mi-24 will enjoy it big time

[+The Trooper 104]

Just don't take the movie seriously... the story kinda wanders off real events much as possible.

 

I know, but it is still a good movie.

 

Those who fly Mi-24 will enjoy it big time

 

That's the idea

[gerald14 0]

Got to add the MiG-21bis N in the early parts in the war

Edited March 22, 2008 by gerald14

[Gr.Viper 131]

That's the idea

I doubt that real Hind tactics can be used in TW engine, though... They used to fire flares continiously while moving through hot area to make it difficult for Stingers to lock onto them, because after the missile acqiured its target chances to fool it were pretty low.

[Viggen 643]

You could give the Hind about 10000 flares to avoid Stingers

[+The Trooper 104]

I doubt that real Hind tactics can be used in TW engine, though... They used to fire flares continiously while moving through hot area to make it difficult for Stingers to lock onto them, because after the missile acqiured its target chances to fool it were pretty low.

 

Well... I am not really sure how do the countermesures work in the sim.

 

You could give the Hind about 10000 flares to avoid Stingers

 

AFAIK the real Mi-24 has 3 racks with 64 flares each which seems enough.

Edited March 22, 2008 by The Trooper

[Bulldog 0]

Great idea!

[+The Trooper 104]

Gr.Viper,

Do you know if 23BN's were used there?

[Gr.Viper 131]

Don't know much about that time and place Most of what I know came form EECH community and is chopper-related

[Fubar512 1,350]

we are missing the Su-25 but we can live with this

 

Perhaps not for long

 

[+The Trooper 104]

Perhaps not for long

 

Wow! Two weeks ?

 

BTW what terrain is this?

[Fubar512 1,350]

Wow! Two weeks ?

 

BTW what terrain is this?

 

Polak's desert tiles on the default SF-desert terrain.

[+Jarhead1 27]

Must have frogfoot, lol and then hopefully we can get a Su-25T and the Su-25UB/ UBK

[Gr.Viper 131]

Must have frogfoot, lol and then hopefully we can get a Su-25T

You want those 16 "Vikhr"s don't you?

[+Jarhead1 27]

lol, oh yeah

i just want some more 2 seaters and cool aircraft on the russian side, lol

[Silverbolt 104]

LOL i haven't this one, but certain the shot is cool :D

[kukulino 1]

Perhaps not for long

We hope too :yes:

This is new Sturmovik (together with Su17/22). I really miss this plane in SFP1 series. It will be avaiable soon I hope

 

We are waiting for two new 3D models... Looking forward to both. This is another important piece of our aviation history...

[+starfighter2 117]

MiG-21Bis was used in War. Early in the war, the primary fighter-bomber used by Soviet forces was the MiG-21 Fishbed. The Fishbed has one twin-barrel 23-mm gun with 200 rounds of ammunition in a belly pack, and it can carry four 57-mm rocket packs, two 500-kg bombs, and two 250-kg bombs, or four 240-mm air-to-surface rockets in a typical ground attack configuration. Tactically, the MiG-21s have generally operated in pairs, but they attack individually, taking turns firing rockets at or bombing guerrilla positions. After releasing their ordnance, they each eject three sets of four heat decoy flares as they climb away. Again, the flares are an apparent attempt to negate any SA-7/Stinger threat. Reports also indicate that the MiG-21s often fire from a range of about 2000 meters, which makes their strikes somewhat inaccurate and ineffective. This tactic, combined with the failure of many bombs to explode on impact and the failure of some cluster bombs to deploy and scatter, has at times rendered the Soviet fighter-bombers ineffective.

 

the two-seater was designed for training, but the MiG-23UBs and MiG-23UMs had to perform combat missions as a sort of command post in Afghanistan(pro-Soviet Afghan AF). Opposite to MIG-23, MIG-27 almost haven't been used in combat actions except Afghanistan, BN 23's are not used in war - more complex MiG-27 are used instead.

 

At least seven MiG-23 fighter versions regiments were rotated through Afghanistan from 1984 to 1989, being used for escort of strike packages, "quick reaction alert" interceptors, and even in the strike role -- armed with dumb bombs and occasionally unguided rocket pods.

MiG-23ML/MLDs operating in Afghanistan would get into a mixup with Pakistani F-16s over border incursions, with a MiG-23 soaking up two Sidewinder hits on 12 September 1988 but managing to limp back to base. Later in that month, two MiG-23s shot down a pair of Iranian helicopters intruding into Afghan airspace. About ten MiG-23s were lost in the conflict, with half lost to ground fire, the other half to accidents.

 

The main "mudfighter" in the Afghan war was the Sukhoi Su-17 and there was seen to be no particular reason to complicate logistics by introducing a different type. The MiG-27 was finally deployed to Afghanistan in 1988, with a single air regiment stocked with 36 MiG-27Ms and 4 MiG-23UB two-seaters sent to Shinand Air Base, as something of a combat evaluation program. The MiG-27Ms were generally used in high-altitude bombing attacks up to the withdrawal of Soviet forces in early 1989. The conclusion of the tour was that the MiG-27 was reliable and its cockpit armor very much an asset, but that it was overkill in terms of its ability to carry warload and its technical sophistication -- strike missions by all attack fighters in the theater rarely carried more than about 1,000 kilograms (2,200 pounds) of ordnance, and smart munitions were rarely needed or used.

 

On 19 July 1981, the 200th Independent Shturmovaya Air Squadron was assigned to Shindand Airbase in western Afghanistan, becoming the first Su-25 unit deployed to that country. Its main task was to conduct air strikes against mountain military positions and structures controlled by the Afghan rebels.

Over the course of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, Su-25s launched a total of 139 guided missiles of all types against Mujahideen positions. On average, each aircraft performed 360 sorties per year. Between the first deployment in 1981 and the end of the war in 1989, 21 aircraft were lost in combat operations.

 

During the Soviet war in Afghanistan, a Soviet MiG-29A shot down an Afghan Su-20 Fitter which had defected to Mujahideens. 29's was rare sight in war - used only in last months ocasionaly. The Soviets have also employed the Su-24 Fencer in 1989 just to "try effectivness of new systems".

Edited March 23, 2008 by starfighter2

[+The Trooper 104]

Thanks, starfighter!

That would be useful.

 

...BN 23's are not used in war - more complex MiG-27 are used instead.

 

I wonder why they didn't used it - 23BN seems more suitable for Afghanistan's high altitudes than the 27.