Al Mansura Air Battle mission pack for WOI

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Al Mansura Air Battle mission pack for WOI

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The Air Battle of Al Mansura mission pack

 

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This missions are written for "Wings over Israel".

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HISTORICAL BACKGROUND

 

The air battle of Al Mansura was the biggest air combat between Mach 2 fighterplanes. It was fought during Yom Kippur War on 14.October 1973 between the Egyptian Air Force and the israeli Heyl hav Avir. The israelis tried to knock out the egyptian airbase Al Mansura with a massive air raid and were intercepted by egyptian MiG's. Al Mansura was damaged, but finally the israelis lost 17 planes the egyptian 6. Up today the Israelis deny that this battle has taken place.

 

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This missions pack contains 6 missions.

You can fly this battle for the egyptian side and for the israelis.

You can choose between intercept (MiG's), escort (Kurnass, Nesher) and strike (Ahit) missions.

 

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INSTALLATION

 

Unzip all files into your Wings Over Israel\ missions folder

 

Thats it.

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This missions are FREEWARE. No commercial use is allowed.

 

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Hope you enjoy it

 

Michael (Gepard)

 

 

 

 

 

Made in Germany

June 2008

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• Submitter
  Gepard
• Submitted
  06/08/2008
• Category
  User Made Missions

 

[Viper6 3]

Ok I just gotta say that your mission was a freakin blast! I flew both the Karnass and Ahit. I got shot down in the Karnass after taking down 6 boogies What a huge furball! there were planes EVERYWHERE!! I managed to take out the runway in the Ahit mission but lost 5 A-4's out of 8 All in all your missions are GREAT! I hope that you will produce many more!!

[Bounder 0]

After the Suez war Egypt got replacements for its losses during the war and in 1958 the EAF became super sonic when it purchased Mig-19 fighters. Also in 1961 the EAF joined the mach 2 club when it ordered the Mig-21 fighters. In this period also the EAF purchased its Tu-16 bombers and As-1 kennel air to ground missiles and during this period the Yemen war took place where the EAF made a lot of transport missions and some ground attack missions using armed light prop trainers. In late 1966 Egypt received its first batch of Su-7 ground attack fighters. Also in this period Egypt started its aerospace industrial plan and Ha-100 primary trainers and Ha-200 advanced trainers were built and entered service, although the Ha-300 fighter programme was going on the arousal of financial problems seized the project.

 

It was 8:45 in the morning of the 5^th of June 1967 the Israeli air attack started and in less than 3 hours Egypt lost more than 227 military airplanes on the ground. The Egyptian reaction was so tough but in fact it came to late and due to its high losses the EAF couldn't change mush of the course of the war. In six days of fighting the Egyptian air force flow a lot of sorties in both air to air and air to ground missions and scored more than 25 aerial victories and it destroyed a lot of Israeli ground targets. In the end of the war the EAF succeeded by the help of the air defense in downing about 72 IAF fighters. During the war a lot of Egyptian pilots made heroic actions made a great effort to prevent the IAF from entering the Egyptian air space and trying to guard the returning Egyptian armies. Algeria sent some Mig-21 fighters to support the EAF and some were downed in combat. The EAF conducted some long range attack missions against Israel itself using Il-28 bombers, but most of these missions failed and at least one Il-28 was shot down in combat.

 

Between 1967 and 1970 it was not a period of peace for the EAF. The EAF went in a large construction plan to build air bases to increase its survivability and for the first time in its history the EAF planned and made a lot aggressive attack mission and it all first began when Egyptian Mig-17 escorted by Mig-21 fighters flew massive destructive attacks on the Israeli positions along the Suez canal in the 14^th of July 1967 only one month after the six day war. During this period also Egypt received replacements for its loses during the six day war. The EAF was the first branch of the Egyptian army to return back to the war. Flying photoreconnaissance missions and attack missions all over Sinai using hit and run tactics the EAF regained its self-confidence. And proved its self as a tough foe for the IAF. Beginning of 1969 the battle of Egypt rely began when the Egyptian air defense forces (EADF) began deploying its Sam sites along the Suez Canal. Israel lunched an air campaign to destroy Egyptian air defense network using its newly supplied F-4E phantoms so the Egyptians had no option and their fighters engaged the Israelis in devastating air battles were the Egyptian fighters scored a lot of victories including the shoot down of the first F-4E over the north of the gulf of Suez in the 9^th of December 1969. Following this Israelis began deep strike missions ending this period with the electronic summer of 1970 were the EADF succeeded in downing more than 13 Israeli fighters in one week. One of the most important events of the war of attrition was the battle of Egypt when Egyptian fighters were the only defense of Egypt against the Israeli deep striking missions, during these days Egyptian fighters went in large air battles against attacking Israelis and shot down more than 50 enemy fighters in less than 2 weeks. Also some Russian fighters pilots were sent to Egypt to support the Egyptian crew and they did a great work although some of them were killed in air battles with the Israelis. Although the EAF lost large some of equipments and personal it configured out its problems and needs and gained experience which helped the EAF to have the upper hand during 1973 war.

 

 

ref:

 

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/eaf/history.html

 

http://www.geocities.com/egyptianairforce/history.html

 

 

 

THEY DONT DENY IT THEY TOOK OUT ALMOST 300 aircraft ON THE GROUND ALONE

Edited June 8, 2008 by Bounder

[ziker 0]

In Hebrew we have a saying: Go ahead and prove that you don't have a sister.

 

This refers to a situation where someone calls your sister a whore, now go ahead and prove you don't have a sister.

 

The probable reason why the IAF doesn't acknowledge the battle of Al-Mansura as depicted by the EAF is that it didn't happen. Not in the way described here at least.

 

The Battle of Al-Mansura was indeed probably the high point for the EAF in the war.

It demonstrated the contrast between the EAF of the 67 war and the EAF of the 73 war. Highlighting its ability to defend its airbases.

 

It also so happens that Egypts current president Hussni Mubarak was responsible for this success.

 

It is pretty obvious that it was chosen as a propaganda item to lionize the EAF and the president.

 

17 to 6 losses? I think the story grew somewhat in the telling.

 

During the Yom-Kippur war the IAF was unable to obliterate the EAF as it did in 67. Air-bases were constructed with hardened shelters for the aircraft and were defended vigorously. I've read a number of accounts by IAF pilots of difficult missions against Egyptian air-bases, I don't know if they refer to Al-Mansura in particular.

 

I was able to find an account of a strike by 8 F-4s on an EAF base on the 11th of October where 2 F-4s were shot down.

 

In general the EAF still took very heavy losses in air to air engagements and spent most of the war cowering near it's bases. While the IAF suffered most of it's losses at the hands of the EADF and it's SAMs and AAA.

 

The EADF was not part of the EAF and most of the time they didn't operate in the same airspace to avoid fratricide.

 

This again illustrates the EAF need to squeeze some kind of success story out of the war, since it did not share in the EADFs success.

 

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Ziker

[+Jug 99]

After the Suez war Egypt got replacements for its losses during the war and in 1958 the EAF became super sonic when it purchased Mig-19 fighters. Also in 1961 the EAF joined the mach 2 club when it ordered the Mig-21 fighters. In this period also the EAF purchased its Tu-16 bombers and As-1 kennel air to ground missiles and during this period the Yemen war took place where the EAF made a lot of transport missions and some ground attack missions using armed light prop trainers. In late 1966 Egypt received its first batch of Su-7 ground attack fighters. Also in this period Egypt started its aerospace industrial plan and Ha-100 primary trainers and Ha-200 advanced trainers were built and entered service, although the Ha-300 fighter programme was going on the arousal of financial problems seized the project.

 

It was 8:45 in the morning of the 5^th of June 1967 the Israeli air attack started and in less than 3 hours Egypt lost more than 227 military airplanes on the ground. The Egyptian reaction was so tough but in fact it came to late and due to its high losses the EAF couldn't change mush of the course of the war. In six days of fighting the Egyptian air force flow a lot of sorties in both air to air and air to ground missions and scored more than 25 aerial victories and it destroyed a lot of Israeli ground targets. In the end of the war the EAF succeeded by the help of the air defense in downing about 72 IAF fighters. During the war a lot of Egyptian pilots made heroic actions made a great effort to prevent the IAF from entering the Egyptian air space and trying to guard the returning Egyptian armies. Algeria sent some Mig-21 fighters to support the EAF and some were downed in combat. The EAF conducted some long range attack missions against Israel itself using Il-28 bombers, but most of these missions failed and at least one Il-28 was shot down in combat.

 

Between 1967 and 1970 it was not a period of peace for the EAF. The EAF went in a large construction plan to build air bases to increase its survivability and for the first time in its history the EAF planned and made a lot aggressive attack mission and it all first began when Egyptian Mig-17 escorted by Mig-21 fighters flew massive destructive attacks on the Israeli positions along the Suez canal in the 14^th of July 1967 only one month after the six day war. During this period also Egypt received replacements for its loses during the six day war. The EAF was the first branch of the Egyptian army to return back to the war. Flying photoreconnaissance missions and attack missions all over Sinai using hit and run tactics the EAF regained its self-confidence. And proved its self as a tough foe for the IAF. Beginning of 1969 the battle of Egypt rely began when the Egyptian air defense forces (EADF) began deploying its Sam sites along the Suez Canal. Israel lunched an air campaign to destroy Egyptian air defense network using its newly supplied F-4E phantoms so the Egyptians had no option and their fighters engaged the Israelis in devastating air battles were the Egyptian fighters scored a lot of victories including the shoot down of the first F-4E over the north of the gulf of Suez in the 9^th of December 1969. Following this Israelis began deep strike missions ending this period with the electronic summer of 1970 were the EADF succeeded in downing more than 13 Israeli fighters in one week. One of the most important events of the war of attrition was the battle of Egypt when Egyptian fighters were the only defense of Egypt against the Israeli deep striking missions, during these days Egyptian fighters went in large air battles against attacking Israelis and shot down more than 50 enemy fighters in less than 2 weeks. Also some Russian fighters pilots were sent to Egypt to support the Egyptian crew and they did a great work although some of them were killed in air battles with the Israelis. Although the EAF lost large some of equipments and personal it configured out its problems and needs and gained experience which helped the EAF to have the upper hand during 1973 war.

 

 

ref:

 

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/eaf/history.html

 

http://www.geocities.com/egyptianairforce/history.html

 

 

 

THEY DONT DENY IT THEY TOOK OUT ALMOST 300 aircraft ON THE GROUND ALONE

 

Some amazing numbers here........the EAF at the end of the Six-Day war had shot down 72 IDF aircraft? That is a big number. At the time, I don't believe the IDF had 72 combat aircraft. Egyptian AF fighters shot down 50 IDF fighters in two weeks. I have heard that the IDF did not fare too well in the 73 war, initially, but I was not aware that the EAF fighters alone took out 50 IDF fighters. With the cumulative numbers from IDF SAM losses during the same period, the IDF lost more aircraft to Egypt than they had in their inventory! Amazing! Without a requirement for proof, I, too, can tell a tall tale................................!

[+Typhoid 231]

Some amazing numbers here........the EAF at the end of the Six-Day war had shot down 72 IDF aircraft? That is a big number. At the time, I don't believe the IDF had 72 combat aircraft. Egyptian AF fighters shot down 50 IDF fighters in two weeks. I have heard that the IDF did not fare too well in the 73 war, initially, but I was not aware that the EAF fighters alone took out 50 IDF fighters. With the cumulative numbers from IDF SAM losses during the same period, the IDF lost more aircraft to Egypt than they had in their inventory! Amazing! Without a requirement for proof, I, too, can tell a tall tale................................!

 

 

I suspect so.

 

Save the Watches!!!!

 

[ziker 0]

I've been looking for info on this battle on the net, trying to see if I can find another version for the events.

 

So far I haven't been able to find anything accept for the account on the EAF website.

 

after finding nothing under El-Mansura either in English or Hebrew I tried looking for IAF losses figures, but here too I found no mention of special losses in Egypt.

 

This guy researches Ejections and while his list is far from perfect, he has none for 14 October 73:

 

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/PROJECT...es/1973.htm#oct

 

The official IAF website (Hebrew) report for the 14th of October 73 on the Egyptian front concentrates mostly on the IAFs efforts to stop the Egyptian attempt to push further into Sinai on that day. It chronicles a number of CAS missions flown that day and that 3 confirmed and 1 probable EAF aircraft flying in support of the Egyptian thrust into Sinai were shot down.

 

However it also states that in other actions that day a total of 13 Egyptian Interceptors were shot down and another 2 were destroyed on the ground. This may very well refer to a strike on an airfield.

 

If anyone can find any info on this battle I'll be happy to see what we can find out.

[+Typhoid 231]

I don't doubt the battle took place.

 

I don't doubt the pilots all reported what they thought they saw.

 

I don't doubt the staff pukes on both sides embellished the accounts just a tad......

 

I suspect the real losses on both sides were probably mostly expended ordanance with some aircraft damage to a few planes. (OK, A few were probably lost on both sides.)

 

from what I was reading at the time from sources I will not further go into - it was probably a draw.

 

both air forces reportedly had a very high level of respect for each other afterwards.

 

none of that, however, detracts from a great mission pack as we all get to fly both sides within the sim and see a little of how we might have done. After all, very few of these campaigns are precise. It is a simulation after all.

[Ant1967 0]

Thank you, Gepard! Great job! Jets dogfight very imressive! I shoot down many enemies, but always they kill me. WOW!!!