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Supermaneuverability

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cjgace    0

cjgace
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This is probably a noob question but does anyone know if any of the "modern era" aircraft are supermaneuverable? I've downloaded the F-22 but can't make it do backflips or Cobra's. Might be a piloting problem but I don't think I'm getting the high alpha seen in airshows.

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Stick    773

Stick
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try the chinese flanker at marcfighters.

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rovert97    1

rovert97
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that plane is more twitchy then super maneuverable.

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eraser_tr    29

eraser_tr
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The F-22 at the moment doesn't have the pitch linked thrust vectoring, so its actually rather castrated compared to the real one. At the moment it doesn't work properly in the sim, hopefully we'll see that fixed soon.

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Stick    773

Stick
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make one and then talk you bums!

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Rambler 1-1    9

Rambler 1-1
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also try setting your flight model to normal or hard. Or just pretend to be supermanuverable while you blow down MiGs BVR.

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column5    62

column5
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The F-22 at the moment doesn't have the pitch linked thrust vectoring, so its actually rather castrated compared to the real one. At the moment it doesn't work properly in the sim, hopefully we'll see that fixed soon.

 

What is wrong with it? Maybe I can teak on it. Not sure who did the original FM...

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+kreelin    2

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What is wrong with it? Maybe I can teak on it. Not sure who did the original FM...

 

 

IIRC It's Ed's work...

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column5    62

column5
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IIRC It's Ed's work...

 

Readme says Starfighter... :dntknw:

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+lindr2    19

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CORRECT Thrust vectoring for MiG-29 OVT & Su-37.

 

1) MiG-29 OVT

 

[Engine1]

ReferenceName=RD-3MK2

SystemType=JET_ENGINE

InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL

EngineID=1

HasAfterburner=TRUE

NumAfterburnerStages=4

ThrustVectoring=TRUE

ThrustVectorInputName=PITCH_CONTROL

PitchAngleRate=60

MaxPitch=-15

MinPitch=15

DefaultPitchAngle=0

//ReverseInput=TRUE

//MaxVectoredPitchAngle=-35.0

ThrustVectorAnimationID=

//ThrustVectorControlRate=8.0

SLThrustDry=53900.0

SLThrustWet=86250.0

ThrustAngles=0.0,4.0,0.0

ThrustPosition=-0.7980,-4.954,-0.2479

ThrottleRate=0.35

NozzleAnimationID=10

IdleThrottle=0.10

IdleRPM=0.68

IdleNozzle=0.0

CruiseThrottle=0.37

CruiseRPM=0.82

CruiseNozzle=1.0

MilThrottle=0.65

MilRPM=1.00

MilNozzle=1.0

MaxThrottle=0.78

MaxRPM=1.00

MaxNozzle=1.0

FullABThrottle=1.12

FullABRPM=1.00

FullABNozzle=0.0

AltitudeTableNumData=10

AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0

AltitudeTableStartX=0.0

AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.496,0.381,0.288,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000

DryMachTableNumData=4

DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4

DryMachTableStartX=0.0

DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000

WetMachTableNumData=7

WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4

WetMachTableStartX=0.0

WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027

MaxInletTemperature=120

GyroscopicInertia=

TSFCM0=0.843

TSFCM1=1.260

AfterburnerTSFC=1.970

MinFuelFlow=0.01

AfterburnerEffectSize=1.0

ExhaustEmitterName=DirtyExhaustEmitter

ExhaustPosition=-0.7980,-4.954,-0.2479

ExhaustOnThrustVectorOnly=TRUE

AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner1

AfterburnerEmitterName=AfterburnerEmitter

MinExtentPosition=-1.13,-3.68,-1.02

MaxExtentPosition=-0.14, 1.36,-0.04

FireSuppression=TRUE

 

[Engine2]

ReferenceName=RD-3MK2

SystemType=JET_ENGINE

InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL

EngineID=2

HasAfterburner=TRUE

NumAfterburnerStages=4

ThrustVectoring=TRUE

ThrustVectorInputName=PITCH_CONTROL

PitchAngleRate=60

MaxPitch=-15

MinPitch=15

DefaultPitchAngle=0

//ReverseInput=TRUE

//MaxVectoredPitchAngle=-35.0

ThrustVectorAnimationID=

//ThrustVectorControlRate=8.0

SLThrustDry=53900.0

SLThrustWet=86250.0

ThrustAngles=0.0,4.0,0.0

ThrustPosition=0.7980,-4.954,-0.2479

ThrottleRate=0.35

NozzleAnimationID=10

IdleThrottle=0.10

IdleRPM=0.68

IdleNozzle=0.0

CruiseThrottle=0.37

CruiseRPM=0.82

CruiseNozzle=1.0

MilThrottle=0.65

MilRPM=1.00

MilNozzle=1.0

MaxThrottle=0.78

MaxRPM=1.00

MaxNozzle=1.0

FullABThrottle=1.12

FullABRPM=1.00

FullABNozzle=0.0

AltitudeTableNumData=10

AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0

AltitudeTableStartX=0.0

AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.496,0.381,0.288,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000

DryMachTableNumData=4

DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4

DryMachTableStartX=0.0

DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000

WetMachTableNumData=7

WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4

WetMachTableStartX=0.0

WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027

MaxInletTemperature=120

GyroscopicInertia=

TSFCM0=0.843

TSFCM1=1.260

AfterburnerTSFC=1.970

MinFuelFlow=0.01

AfterburnerEffectSize=1.0

ExhaustEmitterName=DirtyExhaustEmitter

ExhaustPosition=0.7980,-4.954,-0.2479

ExhaustOnThrustVectorOnly=TRUE

AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner2

AfterburnerEmitterName=AfterburnerEmitter

MinExtentPosition= 1.13,-3.68,-1.02

MaxExtentPosition= 0.14, 1.36,-0.04

FireSuppression=TRUE

 

2) Su-37

 

[Engine1]

ReferenceName=NPO Saturn (Ljuljka) AL-31FP

SystemType=JET_ENGINE

InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL

EngineID=1

HasAfterburner=TRUE

NumAfterburnerStages=4

ThrustVectoring=TRUE

ThrustVectorInputName=PITCH_CONTROL

ThrustVectorAnimationID=

PitchAngleRate=30

MaxPitch=-15

MinPitch=15

SLThrustDry=83430

SLThrustWet=145580

ThrustAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0

ThrustPosition=-1.16,-8.636,-0.028

ThrottleRate=0.35

NozzleAnimationID=4

IdleThrottle=0.10

IdleRPM=0.68

IdleNozzle=0.0

CruiseThrottle=0.37

CruiseRPM=0.82

CruiseNozzle=1.0

MilThrottle=0.65

MilRPM=1.00

MilNozzle=1.0

MaxThrottle=0.78

MaxRPM=1.00

MaxNozzle=1.0

FullABThrottle=1.12

FullABRPM=1.00

FullABNozzle=0.0

AltitudeTableNumData=10

AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0

AltitudeTableStartX=0.0

AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.496,0.381,0.288,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000

DryMachTableNumData=4

DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4

DryMachTableStartX=0.0

DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000

WetMachTableNumData=7

WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4

WetMachTableStartX=0.0

WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027

MaxInletTemperature=120

GyroscopicInertia=

TSFCM0=0.843

TSFCM1=1.260

AfterburnerTSFC=1.970

MinFuelFlow=0.01

AfterburnerEffectSize=0.80

ExhaustEmitterName=CleanExhaustEmitter

ExhaustPosition=-1.16,-8.636,-0.028

AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner1

AfterburnerEmitterName=AfterburnerEmitter

MinExtentPosition=-1.13,-3.68,-1.02

MaxExtentPosition=-0.14, 1.36,-0.04

FireSuppression=TRUE

 

[Engine2]

ReferenceName=NPO Saturn (Ljuljka) AL-31FP

SystemType=JET_ENGINE

InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL

EngineID=2

HasAfterburner=TRUE

NumAfterburnerStages=4

ThrustVectoring=TRUE

ThrustVectorInputName=PITCH_CONTROL

//ThrustVectorInputName=PITCH_CONTROL

ThrustVectorAnimationID=

//MaxVectoredPitchAngle=15.0

PitchAngleRate=30

MaxPitch=-15

MinPitch=15

//ThrustVectorControlRate=50.0

SLThrustDry=83430

SLThrustWet=145580

ThrustAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0

ThrustPosition=1.16,-8.636,-0.028

ThrottleRate=0.35

NozzleAnimationID=5

IdleThrottle=0.10

IdleRPM=0.68

IdleNozzle=0.0

CruiseThrottle=0.37

CruiseRPM=0.82

CruiseNozzle=1.0

MilThrottle=0.65

MilRPM=1.00

MilNozzle=1.0

MaxThrottle=0.78

MaxRPM=1.00

MaxNozzle=1.0

FullABThrottle=1.12

FullABRPM=1.00

FullABNozzle=0.0

AltitudeTableNumData=10

AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0

AltitudeTableStartX=0.0

AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.496,0.381,0.288,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000

DryMachTableNumData=4

DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4

DryMachTableStartX=0.0

DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000

WetMachTableNumData=7

WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4

WetMachTableStartX=0.0

WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027

MaxInletTemperature=120

GyroscopicInertia=

TSFCM0=0.843

TSFCM1=1.260

AfterburnerTSFC=1.970

MinFuelFlow=0.01

AfterburnerEffectSize=0.80

ExhaustEmitterName=CleanExhaustEmitter

ExhaustPosition=1.16,-8.636,-0.028

AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner2

AfterburnerEmitterName=AfterburnerEmitter

MinExtentPosition= 1.13,-3.68,-1.02

MaxExtentPosition= 0.14, 1.36,-0.04

FireSuppression=TRUE

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Rambler 1-1    9

Rambler 1-1
Posted
may not be "super-manuverable", but it has a helluva cieling!

 

Buying the stairway to heaven, are we?

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FastCargo    412

FastCargo
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lindr,

 

Those inputs will not work...you will not get any pitch up thrust vectoring.

 

FastCargo

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eraser_tr    29

eraser_tr
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What is wrong with it? Maybe I can teak on it. Not sure who did the original FM...

 

Only that the thrust vectoring isn't supported, which you guys can't do anything about yet :good:

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+malibu43    142

malibu43
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What is wrong with it? Maybe I can teak on it. Not sure who did the original FM...

 

Maybe you could get the weapons door to open automatically too while your at it... :wink:

 

...just kidding...

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column5    62

column5
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Maybe you could get the weapons door to open automatically too while your at it... :wink:

 

...just kidding...

 

Oh, a comedian. :biggrin:

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Fubar512    1,350

Fubar512
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The FM is not my work. I had declined the project when it was offered to me, as I was busy with a RL project at the time.

 

One of my other reasons that I gave at the time (and still stand by), was, that releasing the F-22 without proper thrust vectoring, would be akin to having released an F-111/MiG-23/F-14 (etc.), without variable sweep wings. BTW, Mike's first Raptor model, though a bit rough around the edges, did have working weps bays and gun flap doors.

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FastCargo    412

FastCargo
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And folks, let's clear some things up before people get confused.

 

1) There is no proper pitch linked thrust vectoring available at the moment. Now, if you want to use thrust vectoring using the separate manual control, that is possible...however, you will be very limited in either the up or down direction. The main reason is that the AI will fly with the thrust vectoring at one of the limits of travel.

 

2) Auto weapons doors seem to be hit or miss. I did EXTENSIVE tests on the F-35, using MAX and ini edits. The only thing I found consistent was that if the weapons were in the positive X axis (X coordinate at 0 or higher), the weapon auto door would work. Which is why Zur's Talon seems to work...all the weapons are on the centerline. Manually, the doors worked fine. Also, for jettison, the auto open function would work.

I'm still trying to trace it down...but I've tried damn near everything...every possibility just about. At least for missiles...haven't tried gravity weapons yet.

 

FastCargo

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+kreelin    2

kreelin
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Readme says Starfighter... :dntknw:

 

 

Ooops... My bad. I thought it was Mike's F22

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