ndicki Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 WOW! Coin ops? excellent! Is not the AC47 used by the South Africans? The Rhodesian Air Force used it? Is a perfect COIN plane Steady, china, steady - the AC-47 is a strictly American concept and was not adopted by any other Armed Forces. To begin with, it's a rich country's aircraft - look at the expenditure in rifle ammunition. Rhodesia could not afford that kind of wastage. And frankly, I'm not certain that the AC-47 was any more effective than a couple of golf bombs, despite the obvious psychological impact. The Dak was used both by RhAF and SAAF as a transport/psyops aircraft - it was not armed and did not carry out (therefore) any kind of strike. It was however used for dropping parachutists as part of the "Fireforce" concept. Quote
gregair Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Steady, china, steady - the AC-47 is a strictly American concept and was not adopted by any other Armed Forces. To begin with, it's a rich country's aircraft - look at the expenditure in rifle ammunition. Rhodesia could not afford that kind of wastage. And frankly, I'm not certain that the AC-47 was any more effective than a couple of golf bombs, despite the obvious psychological impact. The Dak was used both by RhAF and SAAF as a transport/psyops aircraft - it was not armed and did not carry out (therefore) any kind of strike. It was however used for dropping parachutists as part of the "Fireforce" concept. Hey Ndicki, I am not saying that you must have the gunship Dakota in your mod however the SAAF did have one or two modified to carry a 20mm cannon out the cargo door, same as the Allouette 3. They were successfully used by the SAAF in the guship role in Angola / Namibia Border area. These are mentioned in the book "From Fledgling To Eagles" SAAF in the border war, by Brig Gen D Lord. Also here is a piece from the memorial page of the DC3 Aviation Museum s memorial list > "After returning to the SAAF during our bush-war, he saw action in the operational area, once again with the Dak, and claimed the first kills in the South African version of the "Dragon" which was a C-47 with a 20mm cannon mounted in the door. Keep at it guys, this is going to be an awsome mod! Quote
gregair Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 A photo of the 20 mm mounting on the SAAF "Dragon Dak" number 6859 taken in 1985. Quote
Stratos Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 See? How cool will be to fly this little gem? Quote
ndicki Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Fair enough, I stand corrected as far as SAAF is concerned. But what I said is still valid for the RhAF! Back to painting that Hunter... Quote
ndicki Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 And fitting it with Sidewinders. Yes, that shocked me, too. At least two Hunters were equipped with IRMs by SAAF workshops in early 1979. I didn't know, either. Quote
gregair Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Hey Ndicki, this is gonna be one hot mod! Do you have any skills with decals? Modifying them and setting them to appear correctly? Quote
ndicki Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) No probs. That is something I can do. Check this Hunter: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37734 I need someone to knock out a pylon/rail, though, that I can fit here. It could go in as a fake pilot or as a fixed drop tank, if I've understood the work-arounds. Hey, anybody got "I wish I was a blue job" by John Edmond? Mine's gone funny. I was thinking we could use it somewhere. "I wouldn't have to walk if I could fly..." I should have listened! Edited March 7, 2009 by ndicki Quote
Emp_Palpatine Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Hey, great idea for a mod! Rhodesians never die! Quote
Jeremiah Weed Posted March 7, 2009 Author Posted March 7, 2009 No probs. That is something I can do. Check this Hunter: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37734 I need someone to knock out a pylon/rail, though, that I can fit here. It could go in as a fake pilot or as a fixed drop tank, if I've understood the work-arounds. Hey, anybody got "I wish I was a blue job" by John Edmond? Mine's gone funny. I was thinking we could use it somewhere. "I wouldn't have to walk if I could fly..." I should have listened! I have the entire John Edmond and Clem Tholet Discography, I got us covered. I wish I was a Blue Job up in the sky, I wouldn't have to walk if I could fly, but I'll be a Brown Job until I die, with ten years to go in the RLI Quote
ndicki Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 It'd be better than the bloody awful stock UI music, in any case! Quote
+aleks Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 i think that SAAF will keep an eye on this case.... Quote
ndicki Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 i think that SAAF will keep an eye on this case.... You need to reduce the shine, but it's looking good! This where I'm at: Quote
Jeremiah Weed Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Wow, that rail is coming a long quite nicely Quote
ndicki Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Wow, that rail is coming a long quite nicely Not if you look too closely it isn't. It's square edged, start with that! We need a modeller... Quote
ndicki Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Next stage is visible here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37803 Nearly finished. One afternoon to dirty it up and make it look a bit less pristine, and it'll be ready for upload. Quote
gregair Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Next stage is visible here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37803 Nearly finished. One afternoon to dirty it up and make it look a bit less pristine, and it'll be ready for upload. That Hunter is looking awsome Dude, good job! Quote
ndicki Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 You wait - AleDucat has done a REAL Sidewinder pylon - it looks beautiful! Quote
Spinners Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 OT (forgive me) but there are some amazing Rhodesian and South African TSR.2 profiles here http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8838.120.html Quote
ndicki Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 OT (forgive me) but there are some amazing Rhodesian and South African TSR.2 profiles here http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8838.120.html I saw the Lightnings, too - interesting idea... One mistake, though - the serial numbers. Probably 776 of 2 Sqn, since 7 Sqn flew choppers, and 6 Sqn was a training squadron. (The serials are not difficult to work out, just deliberately obscure...) So they got them to replace the Vampires - OK, but the Lightning isn't a ground attack aircraft. It would have gone to No.1 Sqn to replace the Hunters. But still... And the "R" prefix was not used on the aircraft, even when the serial was, which wasn't often. The TSR would have been 566 from 2Sqn, for similar reasons. Interesting ideas... Nice ideas, though! Quote
ndicki Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 I think I'm going to stick that pylon on the Gina, too. Seems a waste not to profit from the technology available... Quote
gregair Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Some interesting info I recently read. The Rhodesians bought 28 T-28 Trojan /Fennec's from France! They were on a ship very near to Cape Town, South Africa where the would have been offloaded and moved to Rhodesia when France instructed the ship not to go into port but turn around and return with the aircraft. The reason for this was that the USA had got wind of the deal and threatened to revoke US licences that France had to build US equipment. Bad luck! Quote
ndicki Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 I've heard that before - given as the reason why the Trogs were called Trogs! Except these ones were AL-60s instead. Not at all the same aircraft... Is there a T-28 for SF? We could use them for a bit of what-iffing! Quote
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