+Typhoid 231 Posted May 27, 2009 Man, you got all the points!As usual, this is saber-rattling. That regime always speak in these tones for the international media and for its own internal use. That regime is on the verge of collapsing since the mid-90's and only hold on because it's in China's interest... and all of its neighbours interest: -China does not want an unified Korea where, probably, US troops will be stationned in the Norh. -South Korea does not want to pay. -Japan fears a too powerfull unified Korea -The US need North Korea to maintain troops in RoK, as an unification might trigger an evacuation of the troops. Well, everybody that counts there is in favor of the Statu-quo... So is North Korea: they want to survive, and their paranoia is alievated with their new nuclear insurance. Now, they will resume their heavy-shouting and black-mailing based diplomacy. excellent summation. meanwhile, the captive population, enslaved in the Socialist Workers Peoples Paradise will continue to starve to death. (not saying there is any solution - just pointing out the mass tragedy and genocide) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eraser_tr 29 Posted May 27, 2009 Have they ever said they're consider the 50 year cease fire over before? That's about as straightforwardly saying "we're starting a war" as possible. Lets just get it over with already and blow something up. Or maybe the South Koreans or Japanese could 'mysteriously' have acquired a stealth fighter and do their best Israel impression on the DPRK's nuclear program? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+allenjb42 4,236 Posted May 27, 2009 I know I posted this in another thread a while ago, but it seems appropriate, and a good reason why the Allied airforces may not have things their own way if the balloon does go up. Nah, not really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted May 27, 2009 Have they ever said they're consider the 50 year cease fire over before? That's about as straightforwardly saying "we're starting a war" as possible. Lets just get it over with already and blow something up. Or maybe the South Koreans or Japanese could 'mysteriously' have acquired a stealth fighter and do their best Israel impression on the DPRK's nuclear program? Well. In July 2002 a quite big naval battle occured between RoK and DPRK navies with several losses of ships and lives. And I'm quite sure other severe clashes occured more recently in the contested waters. But there were no all-out war, despite all the usual KCNA (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm) warmongering and violent rhetoric. North Korea knows she can't afford a war she will probably loose. Hence the nukes, as an insurance: nukes means no all-out war or foreign interventions, as India and Pakistan experimented in their recent clashes, as Iran is trying to achieve, as Libya and Iraq tried. And the nuke is perfect for Kim Jon Il way of diplomacy: blackmail. I would personnaly prefer the destruction of DPRK's regime but with the nuke and China's support, military/'special" solutions are now impossible. An Ozirak reenactement is impossible now that the possession of nukes is certain: I guess nobody knows how much warhead DPRK has. One? Two? Ten? Or did they fire the only one? There is the risk that if such an attack occurs, they will put their one, two or ten warheads in missiles and fire them toward Japan and RoK... It would be a suicide for them as the US will probably destroy that country a few minutes later, but they could take an unacceptable toll on Japan and South Korea's assests/lives. That's called dissuasion... But I'm sure, despite the climate of purges and terror that must be reigning in Pyongyang that the Party and the Army are not so monolithic and perhaps some inner coup or palace revolution could be incitated. It was what happened in Romania in 1989: Ceaucescu indeed followed North Korea's model, and his grip to power was seen as unchallengable. In a few days, he was ousted and killed by something that was a palace revolution by pragmatic Party's members (with links in Moscow and in the West) disguised as a popular revolt. Kim Jong Il death could be such an occasion... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted May 27, 2009 I know I posted this in another thread a while ago, but it seems appropriate, and a good reason why the Allied airforces may not have things their own way if the balloon does go up. Nah, not really! http://athenajuwp.blogcn.com/diary,18814130.shtml Beware of the invicible People's Air force, you revisionnist! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
az12121 0 Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) http://athenajuwp.blogcn.com/diary,18814130.shtmlBeware of the invicible People's Air force, you revisionnist! Look at 1:42-1:48 period... :lmaosmiley: Edited May 27, 2009 by az12121 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eraser_tr 29 Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) [sarcasm quality=low] OMG they have Mig-21s, how will we ever counter such superior airpower?! [/sarcasm] Well I checked and they said the same crap about the truce being over several times before, NBD. We should just arbitrarily blow up the most heavily anti-aircraft defended military target in pyongyang with 1 F-22. When they realize we can kill them without them ever seeing us, they'll shut up and sit in their corner like they do after they usually got their regular aid check. Edited May 28, 2009 by eraser_tr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serverandenforcer 33 Posted May 28, 2009 Q: What happened when Napoleon went to Mount Olive? A: Popeye got pissed. Ya know, it took me a while to understand that joke. I was trying to figure out the connection between Napoleon and Popeye and totally missed the Mount Olive part. Wow, I'm really not with it today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 28, 2009 [sarcasm quality=low] OMG they have Mig-21s, how will we ever counter such superior airpower?! [/sarcasm] Well I checked and they said the same crap about the truce being over several times before, NBD. We should just arbitrarily blow up the most heavily anti-aircraft defended military target in pyongyang with 1 F-22. When they realize we can kill them without them ever seeing us, they'll shut up and sit in their corner like they do after they usually got their regular aid check. they also have some Mig-29's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 28, 2009 groan........... (that's what she did.........) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted May 29, 2009 they also have some Mig-29's. Not much of a threat either. Even good trained Serbian pilot didn't fare well with those. In the Ethiopian-Erythrean war of 1998-200, its records were awfully bad. The only way for DPRK Air Force to be a threat is numerical superiority and engaging in dogfights. But even in this case, with new generation of close range AIM, the odds are against them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheriff__001 0 Posted June 4, 2009 Thanks, its very usfull for me....i'm debating(trying to) with some a**ho**s about it. sadly there are some nazi cells in my country, but the federals are getting all of them and send them to jail...its quite inadmissible this such of behave here, at least i'm happy the public opinion still abominated with this here... I doubt that skinheads are the problem. Europe is importing masses of Jew-haters ... the type that pray to Mecca five times a day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
