TSmoke 2 Posted June 14, 2009 Well after watching the video posted it has made up my mind that the russians can keep it. Yes the lighting is good, sounds mediocre, AI what freaking AI???, crash sequences suck seems I'm the only one who thinks so, clouds are border line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirMike1983 3 Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) About the people from 1900 being smaller-- the truth is that they were indeed, often, noticeably shorter (if you encountered them in-person) than people today would be. However they wouldn't be THAT much smaller. Maybe 2 inches shorter on average. So yeah- a couple inches, but not enough to justify making a pilot model "smaller" by anything you could notice. I don't expect RoF to be as good as OFF. But I will give it a try, despite some serious potential issues. I'd kick myself for not trying it in the end-- I really do like WW1 flight sims. Edited June 14, 2009 by SirMike1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Winder 32 Posted June 14, 2009 Holy-moly! How did I miss the D.vIII OvS posted? I flew right by it and did not even see her! ... its been a long week. That is most impressive. Excellent skinning, how about a view from her belly to see the wing colors? What were we talking about in this thread Rofffff ... something? You got to let me fly her around the field, please, pretty please .... come on guy's I'm dieing here! Fantastic! WF2 It will be in an upcoming addon craft pack(s) - details soon - how soon dunno. What I can say is that the addon packs will not simply be a craft or two - they will include: 1) Associated Squads and Aces. 2) Campaign enabled/ready. 3) Associated Squad and Ace skins HTH WM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellshade 110 Posted June 14, 2009 It will be in an upcoming addon craft pack(s) - details soon - how soon dunno. What I can say is that the addon packs will not simply be a craft or two - they will include: 1) Associated Squads and Aces. 2) Campaign enabled/ready. 3) Associated Squad and Ace skins HTH WM In other words, all the quality and depth we've come to expect as part of the Over Flanders Fields experience. This is why OFF will have a primary place on my hard drive for many years to come. I'm always interested to check out other flight sims, but nothing has re-created "The War to End All Wars" in anywhere near the painstaking detail OBD has. Honestly, I doubt if any traditional commercial developer ever will. It's the difference you get when you place Passion over Profit as the driving force behind the work. Thanks WM. /salute Hellshade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
godzilla1985 0 Posted June 14, 2009 About the people from 1900 being smaller-- the truth is that they were indeed, often, noticeably shorter (if you encountered them in-person) than people today would be. However they wouldn't be THAT much smaller. Maybe 2 inches shorter on average. So yeah- a couple inches, but not enough to justify making a pilot model "smaller" by anything you could notice. I don't expect RoF to be as good as OFF. But I will give it a try, despite some serious potential issues. I'd kick myself for not trying it in the end-- I really do like WW1 flight sims. SirMike, there's nothing wrong about getting RoF, like I said in my earlier post I have yet to find anyone at this forum saying Will I buy RoF? no way, never and not even if they do change the online connection requirement for SP. Any true WWI flight sim fanatic would love to have RoF now or down the road and not because it's the Holy Grail of WWI flight sims, it's far from it. People here want it because it's a WWI flight sim, and true WWI flight sim junkies just can't get enough. Take myself for example, I have FE/Gold and BHaH, I still play FE even though I have BHaH. There are things I feel FE does better then BHaH and somethings I think BHaH does better then FE but I love them both and fly them both for different reasons. My point I guess is that I have seen certain people at another forum saying you can't be a serious enthuist of WWI flight sims without getting RoF, forget the other two sims out there, there not worth the HD space, it's RoF or nothing. Thats the mentality that jerks my chain, I'm leary of people who say you can't be a serious enthuist unless you have only one certain title from one certain company or try to use the arguement that you should support this title because if you don't the genre will die but in turn they don't support any other titles in the genre. Instead they try to snipe at the other games and do use terms like Will I buy BHah or FE? no way, never, how disingenuous they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rabu 9 Posted June 14, 2009 In other words, all the quality and depth we've come to expect as part of the Over Flanders Fields experience. This is why OFF will have a primary place on my hard drive for many years to come. I'm always interested to check out other flight sims, but nothing has re-created "The War to End All Wars" in anywhere near the painstaking detail OBD has. Honestly, I doubt if any traditional commercial developer ever will. It's the difference you get when you place Passion over Profit as the driving force behind the work. Thanks WM. /salute Hellshade Very well said! But I want them all, it doesn't have to be an either or situation... I'll probably fly ROF off and on (no pun intended) to enjoy the eye candy and experiment with the many aircraft dynamics and controls, then, when I get tried of it I'll fly OFF to experience the historical immersion, then, maybe, if I get around to buying First Eagles I'll fly it, then maybe I'll drive Test Drive Unlimited to have some fun, then back to ROF, etc. Great that we have so many choices, and it's cheap entertainment, especially when you consider that it costs about $50 or more to go see a movie once these days with the wife or friend after buying the tickets, paying for the food, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OvS 8 Posted June 14, 2009 About the people from 1900 being smaller-- the truth is that they were indeed, often, noticeably shorter (if you encountered them in-person) than people today would be. However they wouldn't be THAT much smaller. Maybe 2 inches shorter on average. So yeah- a couple inches, but not enough to justify making a pilot model "smaller" by anything you could notice. 2" shorter??? Have you stopped by a local NFL Practice lately?? Good God man... what the hell do those boys eat to make them that big. I am about Wayne Chrebet's size (5'10", 195). I could NOT imagine the catastrophic horror and pain involved while being hit by Chris Jenkins size (listed: 6'5" 349) running at full speed while you're stretched out to grab a over-thrown pass. That's like stepping out in the street in front of a runaway Dump Truck. As far as the E.V... it's an E.V, not a D.VIII. No D.VIII's made it to service in WWI. It was too late by the time they corrected the issues it had. According to Dan SanAbbott, we've followed the path of historic accuracy with this plane. So it will be in colors of an E.V. The upper wing is brown/green, the lower will be Mauve/light blue-aqua-blue. It's a great model. Polovski did an outstanding job on it, and he's still tweaking it. It's very impressive. The E.V has only been seen active in Pat Wilson's Western Front Patch, and has never made an appearance in any other WWI game to this scale. So to us, it's an honor and once again, a privilege to be able to add planes like this at will. I will post more pics of it as I complete the skin. I am talking my time with this one, and not rushing it. I am re-learning how to do this, as some of my techniques in the past are really obsolete at this point. I really had no choice but to let the cat out of the bag. After seeing the RoF video, it was a very good opportunity for us to flex some OFF muscle as to what we can do. Sure, our planes might not have all the animations, and other cool stuff... but we'll have more of them, where they should be, and who should be flying them than has ever been seen before. So if you're into history, combat, tough AI, immersion... etc... take a bite of OFF, you'll like what you taste. I have a feeling that P4 is really going to break a lot more barriers than we've been able to in the past! All the best, OvS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellshade 110 Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) I really had no choice but to let the cat out of the bag. After seeing the RoF video, it was a very good opportunity for us to flex some OFF muscle as to what we can do. Sure, our planes might not have all the animations, and other cool stuff... but we'll have more of them, where they should be, and who should be flying them than has ever been seen before. So if you're into history, combat, tough AI, immersion... etc... take a bite of OFF, you'll like what you taste. I have a feeling that P4 is really going to break a lot more barriers than we've been able to in the past! All the best, OvS Ironically, I have the feeling that Rise of Flight may just be the best thing that ever happened to Over Flanders Fields and, by virtue of that, the best thing to ever happen to historically accurate WWI flight simulation. It's this kind of passion for accuracy, depth and variety that makes me never second guess about pre-ordering an OBD product. /salute Hellshade Edited June 14, 2009 by Hellshade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OvS 8 Posted June 14, 2009 Ironically, I have the feeling that Rise of Flight may just be the best thing that ever happened to Over Flanders Fields and, by virtue of that, the best thing to ever happen to historically accurate WWI flight simulation. It's this kind of passion for accuracy, depth and variety that makes me never second guess about pre-ordering an OBD product. /salute Hellshade Well thanks for that confidence!! And you're right. I actually feel like you deserve a better product out of me personally. So I am deeply focused on bettering my techniques, and hopefully learn some new methods to making higher quality skins. OvS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rabu 9 Posted June 14, 2009 2" shorter??? Have you stopped by a local NFL Practice lately?? Good God man... what the hell do those boys eat to make them that big. I am about Wayne Chrebet's size (5'10", 195). I could NOT imagine the catastrophic horror and pain involved while being hit by Chris Jenkins size (listed: 6'5" 349) running at full speed while you're stretched out to grab a over-thrown pass. That's like stepping out in the street in front of a runaway Dump Truck. ..snip... OvS Average size, Otto, it's been documented statistically that the average size has only changed a few inches. The ROF argument as to why their plane pilots look so small is that pilots were much smaller back then. If you read the forum thread you will see I posted graphic overlays showing that the way they sized the pilot in their ROF planes he would have been child size..(click here, interesting) yet they still continue to make excuses and argue that the game pilots aren't too small.. I give up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirMike1983 3 Posted June 14, 2009 SirMike, there's nothing wrong about getting RoF, like I said in my earlier post I have yet to find anyone at this forum saying Will I buy RoF? no way, never and not even if they do change the online connection requirement for SP. Any true WWI flight sim fanatic would love to have RoF now or down the road and not because it's the Holy Grail of WWI flight sims, it's far from it. People here want it because it's a WWI flight sim, and true WWI flight sim junkies just can't get enough. Take myself for example, I have FE/Gold and BHaH, I still play FE even though I have BHaH. There are things I feel FE does better then BHaH and somethings I think BHaH does better then FE but I love them both and fly them both for different reasons. My point I guess is that I have seen certain people at another forum saying you can't be a serious enthuist of WWI flight sims without getting RoF, forget the other two sims out there, there not worth the HD space, it's RoF or nothing. Thats the mentality that jerks my chain, I'm leary of people who say you can't be a serious enthuist unless you have only one certain title from one certain company or try to use the arguement that you should support this title because if you don't the genre will die but in turn they don't support any other titles in the genre. Instead they try to snipe at the other games and do use terms like Will I buy BHah or FE? no way, never, how disingenuous they are. I still cannot figure out why there are people so patently opposed to OFF. I start to get the feeling it has a political dimension of sorts-- that is that once you become a backer or emotionally invested in a sim, you want it to crush all other simulations. Whatever you back has to be the best, so to speak. That's a somewhat poisonous attitude, I think. It's a closed-minded way I think. I will say, from what I've seen folks here have been somewhat less hostile to RoF than some of the folks at the RoF forum have been towards OFF. I'm certainly open to RoF and I look forward to giving it a try. Hopefully I'll fly it a fair bit and mix it in with my OFF games for some variety. This isn't the Highlander-- where there can be only one. But I will add, I think OFF will come out the better of the two, since OFF is so comprehensive and attuned to history. I'll also say, that while I look forward to RoF, I look forward to nothing more anxiously than the arrival of the OFF Nieuport 24, to complete the old RB3d trifecta of v-strut Nieups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Polovski 460 Posted June 14, 2009 Just for the record the pilot in our Virtual cockpit is much more correctly proportioned than the view/screenshot shows. He does not have "small feet" but instead the viewpoint from the pilot eyes in the pit is slightly wide angle hence the perspective change. The angle of view is designed for the forward view from the pit to feel good. Not too wide to distort too much, but enough to take in enough visually and look reasonably natural (we have to think of those without TrackIR too). Every figure model I see has a long/short body, or short legs, or big head or whatever, not matter how much measuring games companies do, they never look right. Anyway they are simulation games at the end of the day and just about every game I ever played had odd shaped "humans" in there or they move oddly whatever. Very hard to make a perfect figure. It's really not worth arguing over Rabu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
