macelena 1,070 Posted June 16, 2009 I´ve just known of two Spanish Air Force Hornets wich collided mid-air during ACM over the Canary Islands. Both pilots ejected safely,( God Bless MartinBaker, 29000ft and mach1+) but these make the 4th and 5th aircraft we loose this year, all of them because taking the training perhaps a little too far. Two Mirage F-1 crashed in a simmilar accident earlier this year, claiming the life of three pilots. Another F-18 crashed was lost, pilot ejected, when collided with an observation tower in a Range. The aircraft use to fly beside them ( ) too close for comfort. The attrition for this cause that we sustained this half year alone is greater, IIRC, than the UN/NATO forces in 7 years in the Balkans. I know that training is key for the air dominance that the western coalitions gain in mpst conflicts, but are we making these training to hard? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gbnavy61 1 Posted June 16, 2009 Well, like they say - you fight like you train. But, perhaps the training rules need review. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 16, 2009 yea, that seems a bit high, particularly when matched against the size of the force. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nesher 628 Posted June 16, 2009 at least this time the pilots are okay Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastCargo 412 Posted June 16, 2009 It does seem high...but then again, I'm wondering how much we hear about accidents now that we are so much more interconnected. Accident rates (not just total number of accidents, but proportionally) used to be much higher back in the day. Yet, there are some accidents we don't even hear about even today. How many of you know we lost a T-38 at Edwards a few weeks ago with the loss of the pilot (who I found out I had instructed back about a year ago)? Or that we had a serious incident in a T-38 at one of our pilot training bases (destroyed the aircraft) around the same time. We have a lot of stuff happen that you never hear about. So I'm wondering how much is perception and how much is reality? I honestly don't know the answer to this one. Glad to hear everyone got out okay. FC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cali 6 Posted June 17, 2009 It's a dangerous job with deadly risk, but they know when they sign up for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted June 17, 2009 I'd heard about a T-38 incident recently, but I'm not sure which one it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macelena 1,070 Posted June 17, 2009 How many of you know we lost a T-38 at Edwards a few weeks ago with the loss of the pilot (who I found out I had instructed back about a year ago)? Or that we had a serious incident in a T-38 at one of our pilot training bases (destroyed the aircraft) around the same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
