Funny Stories and Stupid Questions in SF2

[+daddyairplanes 10,235]

Vipers with Phoenixes?!?!?!?!?!?

well most anything is poss with ini editing.......................

defineatly need a screenie of that!

[thodouras95 25]

I tried to set ECN to a hundred flying alone i can fly in circles over the SAM site for a while but as soon as one wakes up its the same story. they just got more late in their response.

 

 

 

 

I believe there's still an engagement envelop to follow. AIM-54A aren't really reliable on max range. Ain't also reliable if fired at a lower alt. It's most effective at mid range and at a higher alt when the missile dives down to its target. the steeper the angle the better. I mostly fly with the Tomcat the ony fighter ever to gave me trouble with the Phoenix is the Viper esp. with the advanced weapons suite.

 

AIM-54C, launch at 50-100km, NO FREAKIN WAY it's gonna get all 6 rounds tracking.Altitude ~5000-10000km.

[RogerSmith 72]

Got my AIM-54As to track kill all 6 targets at max range so many times vs bombers

[macelena 1,070]

Vipers with Phoenixes?!?!?!?!?!?

well most anything is poss with ini editing.......................

defineatly need a screenie of that!

 

Once i tried Netzes Vs Iranian Tomcats...and had no trouble with the Vipers and the Phoenixes, if you know what i mean

[thodouras95 25]

Got my AIM-54As to track kill all 6 targets at max range so many times vs bombers

 

 

BLACK MAGIC!!!

 

Have you made any file edits?Or do you play with an option or two set to "normal", etc?

[Caesar 305]

AIM-54C, launch at 50-100km, NO FREAKIN WAY it's gonna get all 6 rounds tracking.Altitude ~5000-10000km.

 

Well, TWS-A/M with the AWG-9 (no data link) could track a small fighter sized target, such as a MiG-21 at 90NM and, based on one of my books from the early 70's, could initiate multiple target launch of 6 A-model Phoenix from about 52NM, or nearly 100km (96.5?). So the possibility is there. In-game, you can fire further out, but then, we can't adjust the missile ranges to match radar modes (PDSTT provides enough signal strength to give Phoenix an Rmax shot against a small fighter, for example - same source).

 

EDIT: On the original topic, anyone else here have their wingman crash into them when told to "attack my target"? I recall one flight where I had an F-15 on my wing, we spotted some baddies off to the right, told him to attack, and WHAMMO! There goes my port vert stab and the port engine is on fire! Wingy goes down - needless to say, it wasn't a very successful mission!

Edited December 12, 2012 by Caesar

[thodouras95 25]

Well, TWS-A/M with the AWG-9 (no data link) could track a small fighter sized target, such as a MiG-21 at 90NM and, based on one of my books from the early 70's, could initiate multiple target launch of 6 A-model Phoenix from about 52NM, or nearly 100km (96.5?). So the possibility is there. In-game, you can fire further out, but then, we can't adjust the missile ranges to match radar modes (PDSTT provides enough signal strength to give Phoenix an Rmax shot against a small fighter, for example - same source).

 

EDIT: On the original topic, anyone else here have their wingman crash into them when told to "attack my target"? I recall one flight where I had an F-15 on my wing, we spotted some baddies off to the right, told him to attack, and WHAMMO! There goes my port vert stab and the port engine is on fire! Wingy goes down - needless to say, it wasn't a very successful mission!

 

 

1.Which book would that be?Always interested in a Tomcat read.

 

2.Happened to me just today.But the King-of-Trolls wingman survived.I lost one of my wings, he just got a little banged up.

[RogerSmith 72]

 

 

BLACK MAGIC!!!

 

Have you made any file edits?Or do you play with an option or two set to "normal", etc?

 

No ini edits. I have everything on hard except for visual stuff and Fuel/Ammo consumption

[usafphantom2 19]

Yep,The Grumman Tech's sent to train the Iranian's did spirit away key component's when they were invited to leave after deposing the Shaw.

[usafphantom2 19]

Question,Has anybody recieved any bogus distance call's from Redcrown or Hawkeye on bandit's? I have had call's that bandits are 25m out when my radar says there out 50 and my radar is right!

[RogerSmith 72]

are you sure the Radar is in Miles and not in KM? But Base never seems to get distance correct, someone could be 100+ NM out and says they're 50 Miles out

[thodouras95 25]

Question,Has anybody recieved any bogus distance call's from Redcrown or Hawkeye on bandit's? I have had call's that bandits are 25m out when my radar says there out 50 and my radar is right!

 

Sometimes the Hawkeye calls for bogeys 50nm out (always 50, as if they can't spell any other number), and, if I'm not wrong, sometimes they're either closer or futher out.But never 50nm.

[saisran 84]

Vipers with Phoenixes?!?!?!?!?!?

well most anything is poss with ini editing.......................

defineatly need a screenie of that!

 

It is possible but not economical. Like isaid the vipers are the only one that gave me regular trouble.

 

 

AIM-54C, launch at 50-100km, NO FREAKIN WAY it's gonna get all 6 rounds tracking.Altitude ~5000-10000km.

 

My ingame experience dictates that them phoenix works best when fired at really high altitude. this way they can dive in undetected by RWR.

 

Well, TWS-A/M with the AWG-9 (no data link) could track a small fighter sized target, such as a MiG-21 at 90NM and, based on one of my books from the early 70's, could initiate multiple target launch of 6 A-model Phoenix from about 52NM, or nearly 100km (96.5?). So the possibility is there. In-game, you can fire further out, but then, we can't adjust the missile ranges to match radar modes (PDSTT provides enough signal strength to give Phoenix an Rmax shot against a small fighter, for example - same source).

 

EDIT: On the original topic, anyone else here have their wingman crash into them when told to "attack my target"? I recall one flight where I had an F-15 on my wing, we spotted some baddies off to the right, told him to attack, and WHAMMO! There goes my port vert stab and the port engine is on fire! Wingy goes down - needless to say, it wasn't a very successful mission!

 

 

 

This happened to me on a formation command. I had my squad in close formation then i changed them from wall to arrow head formation. an F-35 on my left decided to go to my right, banked in right into me. were both lost in the icy waters of the North Atlantic.

 

Question,Has anybody recieved any bogus distance call's from Redcrown or Hawkeye on bandit's? I have had call's that bandits are 25m out when my radar says there out 50 and my radar is right!

 

RC and HawkEye only know 50m, 25 miles and clear no bandits in your area. 50m means they're 26 m to 500m out. 25m means they're 25 miles or much much closer. And clear no bandits usually means to wait for an Atoll on you're tail pipe. these statements are tru. just yesterday i was flying the crusader. and asked for bandits position. HE says clear. i trusted him. Then someone called a missile launch and red texts containing the same sentence appeared. after that i was in the bottom of the Atlantic once again.

[Do335 382]

RC and HawkEye only know 50m, 25 miles and clear no bandits in your area. 50m means they're 26 m to 500m out. 25m means they're 25 miles or much much closer. And clear no bandits usually means to wait for an Atoll on you're tail pipe. these statements are tru. just yesterday i was flying the crusader. and asked for bandits position. HE says clear. i trusted him. Then someone called a missile launch and red texts containing the same sentence appeared. after that i was in the bottom of the Atlantic once again.

 

hmmm interesting... actually i don't think awacs detects anything using his own radar. he just reports whatever's detected by myself's (and possibly AI teammates'? not sure) radar contacts.

 

i tested by flying radar off in the phantom. awacs says nothing and the map's empty. soon as i turn on radar, red ac labels appear and awacs call out contacts; i extend the radar range from 25 to 50, awacs immediately call out more contacts appearing on the map.

 

tis why i think there's a serious SA disadvantage when flying a radarless fighter. awacs don't actually do anything except audible warning...

[saisran 84]

Here's the requested screenies

 

This is what i think the best position for engagement at max range.

 

2 F-16C_B32 fell in multiple target engagement. the -54's trail shows the point of impact unseen in the pic.

 

I fired my missiles at max range and had a very poor hit rate. my wing fired just under 50. I told no 3 to let loose just same time i got in max range for AIM-7M. probably around 20 nm. I was flying around 17k ft, so he's probably around 15k Ft while the vipers are still around 10K.

 

@Do335 - not sure about that. I usually navigate to the primary targets and bandits with calls to the E-2. Firing up the radar occasionally. to confirm range if its 200 or already under 100nm and to make sure he's not betraying me with bandits right under my nose. :)

[Do335 382]

well love to be proven wrong. otoh i can live with it. you cat drivers must have less of an issue with that big radar on the nose

[saisran 84]

Has any saw an AI loose his plane in a flat spin? I just had... And in TMF's Tomcat of all things. After trying several times to escort the bugs into a Naval strike mission and them getting wiped out by SAMs i had enough and took myself and a high AG scoring wingman out to do it ourselves. First outing we got creamed by SAMs. Getting through a Soviet battle group lined to the teeth with modern SAMs is a matter of luck. The next outing i decided to hold back out of harms way and asked my wingie to get them ships. I watched how he entered the airspace At high alt. which trigger a couple of SAMs my wingie dodge the 1st then the next then he took a tight turn nosed up down then tried to reverse direction and then i saw him spin in axis in a downward spiral as SAMs head his way. All of them missing until he splashed down into the water. It was all new to me and i pity that i didnt get a screenie of it as i tried several times to replicate the event but failed.

 

Two lessons learned. AI ca loose control of the stick and The only effective way to get to a battle group is by way of Cruise Missile even flying under 100 ft doesn't work.

 

Oh yeah. Does anyone has a model of the experimental AIM-152 AAAM or ACIMD?

Edited December 15, 2012 by saisran

[arthur666 65]

Has any saw an AI loose his plane in a flat spin? I just had... And in TMF's Tomcat of all things...

Somebody's gonna need a new volleyball partner.

[Caesar 305]

I've gotten my F-14 into a flat spin on two occasions with the new FM and recovered both times, but I haven't seen any of my AI wingmen flat spin in the F-14. I have seen some other aircraft depart, and have never seen an AI recover from it, so I assume they wouldn't be able to recover the F-14 either.

[RogerSmith 72]

that awkward moment when you realize that the Auto Pilot is better at Heavy Transport take-off than I am

[SFP1Ace 33]

Well, in TK's world, an autopilot is a cure for any flat spin...

[FastCargo 412]

Well, in TK's world, an autopilot is a cure for any flat spin...

 

Until you attempt to fly it again yourself...

 

FC

[RogerSmith 72]

My controller ran out of battery before my F-14 could take-off from the runway rendering Chaff, Map, some visual targeting, Manual flight and weapons controls impossible to use. But I was able to complete a CAP mission with just using Auto Pilot and wingman commands to kill 6 Mig-29s. When the last 2 remaining Migs tried to bug out, I used Auto-Pilot and Waypoints to turn my aircraft to their direction while flying through Secondary Mirage-2000 Targets and then pushed the throttle to chase down the Migs for about 40 NM through a field of SAMs and finally ordered my wingman to kill Mig #5 and then Mig #6 and back through the field of SAMs to return home

Edited December 16, 2012 by RogerSmith

[saisran 84]

I tried it a bunch of times now and no luck. i take my wingie inside the target zone flying low and flying high asked him to attack got a bunch of SAMs on his person e either got shot down or got shot down. maybe he taught going in a downward spiral was the best way to avoid SAMs and then weren't able to recover so he decided not to do it again. :)

 

Anyways im now flying the F-8 again. just hate those AIM-9B's and those migs. :)

[SFP1Ace 33]

Until you attempt to fly it again yourself...

 

FC

So true. At first I had great fun fooling around with this "feature", but in the end it's just another long standing bug that may or may not get fixed...

 

Another good one: in SF2: NA don't take off from the carrier right away, wait for your buddies to do it first, then watch as most of them fall in to the Atlantic

Edited December 16, 2012 by SFP1Ace