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Very good realism upgrade for ThirdWires overperforming F-104G FM. I don't mind ThirdWires "soft around the edges" FM's but the F-104G performance seemed very generous. Much better now. :flyer:

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Expect that was done for the AI benefit.

 

Once the limits were in place it didn't take much tweaking to match it up on Hard mode with flight test data I have which probably shows that some effort went into it initially for SFP1.

 

Luckily the stall sound acts as a convenient stick shaker/kicker - however most of the limits have to be observed manually. I have limited top end speeds as per the Compressor Inlet Temps (as -1)

 

Having the newer FM code it can be recovered from a spin with altitude and have reduced the nose lift off a bit on takeoff. Although not a fan I prefer that for now than having to wrestle the thing off the ground due to lack of lift at the right places as with old code - you didn't have to do that with the real thing either. 

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Luckily the stall sound acts as a convenient stick shaker/kicker - however most of the limits have to be observed manually. I have limited top end speeds as per the Compressor Inlet Temps (as -1)

 

 

 

Thats the way I think about it. The initial stall buffet is like the stick shacker and then if you pull a bit harder the nose starts to move up and down with a bigger amplitude. I think of that as overpowering the stick pusher. A little too much and "away you go!"

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      F-16A_B15_ADF_AMI
      F-16A_Blk1
      F-16A_Blk10_Baf
      F-16A_Blk10-EAF < NEW for v2.0
      F-16A_Blk10-IDF < NEW for v2.0
      F-16A_Blk10-NDC
      F-16A_Blk15_Baf
      F-16A_Blk15-NDC
      F-16A_Blk15OCU_Baf
      F-16A_Netz_87 < NEW for v2.0
      F-16AM_bel
      F-16AM_den
      F-16AM_net
      F-16AM_nor
      F-16AM_ROCAF
      F-16B_Blk15-NDC < NEW for v2.0
      F-16B_Netz_87 < NEW for v2.0
      F-16BM_bel
      F-16C_B25
      F-16C_B25_TB
      F-16C_B30
      F-16C_B30_agr
      F-16C_B30_CUPID
      F-16C_B30_gk
      F-16C_B30_tur
      F-16C_B32
      F-16C_B32_agr
      F-16C_B32_CUPID
      F-16C_B40
      F-16C_B40_egy < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16C_B40_tur
      F-16C_B42
      F-16C_B50
      F-16C_B50_gk
      F-16C_B50_tur
      F-16C_B50+_tur
      F-16C_B52
      F-16C_B52+_egy < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16C_B52+_gk
      F-16C_B52+_pol
      F-16C_Barak
      F-16C_BarakII
      F-16CM_B40
      F-16CM_B42
      F-16CM_B50
      F-16CM_B52
      F-16D_B30 < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16D_B30_agr < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16D_B30_gk < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16D_B50+_tur
      F-16D_B52+_egy < Now COMPLETE plane
      F-16D_B52+_gk
      F-16D_B52+_pol
      F-16D_Barak
      F-16D_Brakeet
      F-16I_Sufa
      F-16N
      KF-16C_B32
      KF-16C_B52
       
      So the FM is finally corrected, the empty weights are now correct, as well as many minor other changes in order to make ir more realistic.
       
      Don't be fooled, I did A LOT of research and a lot of BETA testing. When I had no definite data, I calculated, so some data are estimations.
       
      For proving my point, I include a 4vs4 mission, Turkish F-16D Block 50+ (the heaviest Viper in service) against USAF aggressors.
       
      Why v0.9? There are some planes missing. These are TW planes, as well as israeli -A models, egyptian, jordanian, UAE, thai, indonesian & singaporian planes.
       
      EDIT:
       
      As it turned out, these should be released in a vol.2
       
      Requests:
       
      I hope someone would make hi-res skins for all these nations mentioned above as well for the early -A models of the four european nations.
       
      Also a proper lod for the taiwanese block 20.
       

      Logfile changes
       
      -------
       
      v1.0
       
      - Added the fabulous F-16A ADF AMI of dtmdragon, deleted the old F-16A AMI
       
      - The mission now is on more even terms, both F-16s have now the same loadout.
       
      -------
       
      v2.0
       
      - Added the following planes
       
      F-16A_Blk10-EAF
      F-16A_Blk10-IDF
      F-16A_Netz_87
      F-16B_Blk15-NDC
      F-16B_Netz_87
       
      - Now these planes are complete
       
      F-16C_B40_egy
      F-16C_B52+_egy
      F-16D_B30
      F-16D_B30_agr
      F-16D_B30_gk
      F-16D_B52+_egy
       
      The Egyptian block 40 is based on the Turkish one, the block 52+ on the Polish.
       
      - Reworked DATA.INI for ALL planes. Mostly, but not only, reworked engine and weight data.
       
      - Four new missions are added. F-16 vs F-16, these missions are indeed very exciting.
       
      Known issues: The F-16D block 30 skins should be tweaked a bit to represent a 100% proper -D block 30 skin.
       
      CREDITS:
       
      Effects/Sounds/LODS/Skins - Dave/The Viper Team
       
      F110 effects only - Fast Cargo < The new, proper F110 effects possibly again by Fast Cargo. If not, please verify.
       
      The egyptian skin - mohand777
       
      The F110 engine sound, I was not able to trace. Pls PM for any feedback to give proper credit.
       

      A v3.0 will come up, but not anytime soon that will include the above mentioned "jordanian, UAE, thai, indonesian & singaporian planes", hopefully even more than that.
       
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      Request: MORE Hi-rez skins!!!!
      Submitter FANATIC MODDER Submitted 03/06/2016 Category ini File Edits  
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