+yakarov79 Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 I think C and D ver are capable of firing Mk66 motors and Mk40. Diferences in intervalometer and starters. Also i walk through my pics and looks like USAF did not use M229 on fast movers. Also never saw M257 and 259. Looks like those long sticks are for rotary wing only US Army adn Marines for sure. Other thing is that due weight limits Cobra in fact couldn't carry 17 M229. Limit was 12 rockets if I remember corectly on outboard pylons in Hog -4x M200/159 launchers. Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 10, 2015 Author Posted August 10, 2015 so would it be better to remove the long warheads from the Air Force and Navy launchers ??? i was thinking about that all the time about the LAU-3C and D are there any pictures of them available ??? i was thinking to add a LAU-3C in grey color with Mk66 rockets but i can not find any pictures to support that Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 This has some info on the different Launchers. Not sure if it will help. https://pediaview.com/openpedia/Folding-Fin_Aerial_Rocket Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Posted August 12, 2015 i fixed the effects problemsince i was pretty sure that the effect was working before , i remove all effects that i added lately and as soon as i removed the PurpleWilliePeteGroundExplosion everything was back to normal 2 Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 I'm excited to add the Rockets to the A-10 Pack. People will have to DL your Mod, I just want to add the entries to the A-10 Loadouts. Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Posted August 12, 2015 no problem as soon as i´m done with the Lau-3 i can send them to you what about the LAU-3D with grey camo and what rocket should be used with it , the Mk40 or the Mk66 ??? Quote
+yakarov79 Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 LAU-131/130 (same as Army M260/261 LWL) is current USAF launcher so it should go with Mk66. LAU- model version A/A B/A C/A can be used only with older motors Mk40. As for LAU-3D/A hard to say. should be able to launch both. Also it was issued already when Mk40 was at the end of production. MK66 enter lines depends on MOD vers. on 1981MOD1 and 1985 MOD 2. Also launchers ver. D/A is around this years. Not sure but full contract was on 1985 for D/A. As for M229 thing, its no longer in use, And i think US Army was not using much m229 on mk66 motor. Quote
+EMCON360 Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 //================================================================================================= TW Default Pods Used LAU-3A 275rocket LAU-10A ZuniAP LAU-32A 275rocket LAU-33A ZuniAP Matra-155 SNEB68 Lightning_RP1 MICRO2 Lightning_RP53 MICRO2 JL-100 SNEB68 //================================================================================================= US Mk 40 FFAR Launchers Launchers designated under the US Air Force system: Designation Description LAU-3/A 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher LAU-3A/A LAU-3/A variant; differences unknown LAU-3B/A LAU-3A/A variant; differences unknown; US Army XM159 LAU-3C/A LAU-3B/A variant; supports single or ripple fire LAU-3D/A LAU-3C/A variant; differences unknown LAU-32/A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher LAU-32A/A LAU-32/A variant; differences unknown; US Army XM157A LAU-32B/A LAU-32A/A variant; differences unknown LAU-49/A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher LAU-51/A 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher LAU-59/A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher LAU-60/A 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; similar to LAU-3/A series except in the position of the grounding safety device LAU-61/A 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; US Army M159A1 LAU-61A/A LAU-61/A variant; differences unknown LAU-61B/A LAU-61A/A variant; differences unknown LAU-68/A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; US Army M158A1 LAU-68A/A LAU-68/A variant; differences unknown LAU-68B/A LAU-68A/A variant; differences unknown LAU-68C/A LAU-68/A variant; differences unknown LAU-69/A 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; US Army M200A1 Launchers designated under the US Army system: Designation Description XM141 Launcher, 2.75-inch Rocket, Seven-Tube, Reloadable, Reusable; 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher XM157A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; not compatible w/ Mk 66 rocket motor; USAF LAU-32A/A XM157B XM157A variant; longer launch tubes, capable of further mounting an XM118 dispenser XM158/M158 Launcher, 2.75-inch Rocket, Seven-Tube, Reloadable, Reusable, Repairable; 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher M158A1 M158 variant; modified hardback mount; USAF LAU-68/A XM159 Launcher, 2.75-inch FFAR, 19-Tube, Reloadable, Reusable, Not Repairable; 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; USAF LAU-3B/A XM159B/C XM159 variants; differences unknown M159 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; type standardization of what XM159 unknown M159A1 M159 variant; differences unknown; USAF LAU-61/A XM200/M200 19-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher M200A1 M200 variant; differences unknown; USAF LAU-69/A MA-2A 2-Tube rocket launcher Warheads for the Mk 40 Motor With the development of the Mk 40 Mod 0 universal motor came the development of a considerable number of different warheads, as well as, a number of different fuzing options. A list of those warheads believed to be developed before the replacement of the Mk 40 motor with the Mk 66 motor is as follows: Fuzing Options Designation Description 1 M423 Point Detonating 2 XM438/M438 Point Detonating 3 Mk 352 Mod 0/1/2 Point Detonating 4 M429 Proximity Airburst 5 M442 Airburst, Motor-Burnout Delay 6 Model 113A Airburst, Motor-Burnout Delay US military Warheads Designation Description Fuzing Options XM80 Submunition warhead w/ 32 XM100 CS canisters Unknown, believed to have an integral fuze XM99 Submunition warhead w/ 32 XM100 CS canisters; simplified XM80 Unknown, believed to have an integral fuze M151 High Explosive (HE) 1,3,4,5 M152 High Explosive (HE) w/ red smoke marker 1,3,4,5 M153 High Explosive (HE) w/ yellow smoke marker 1,3,4,5 M156 White Phosphorus (WP) 1,3,4,5 XM157 Red smoke; unknown compound 1,3,4,5 XM158 Yellow smoke; unknown compound 1,3,4,5 M247 High-Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT)/High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) 2 (Integral to Warhead) M257 Parachute Illumination 5 (Integral to Warhead) Mk 67 Mod 0 White Phosphorus (WP) 1,3,4,5 Mk 67 Mod 1 Red Phosphorus (RP) 1,3,4,5 WDU-4/A APERS warhead w/ unknown number of flechettes of unknown weight 11 (Integral to Warhead) //================================================================================================= Hydra70M274 Common U.S. Mk 66 compatible launchers Designation Description M260 7-Tube LWL (LightWeight Launcher) M261 19-Tube LWL (LightWeight Launcher) LAU-130/A 19-Tube rocket launcher LAU-131/A 7-Tube rocket launcher LAU-68D/A 7-Tube LAU-68C/A variant; compatible w/ Mk 66 rocket motor; external thermal protection coating; launcher supports single and ripple firing LAU-61C/A 19-Tube LAU-61B/A variant; compatible w/ Mk 66 rocket motor; external thermal protection coating; launcher supports single and ripple firing Common warheads Designation Description Weight Payload Fuze Type Fuzing options M151 High explosive (HEPD) '10 pounder' 8.7 pounds (3.9 kg) (w/o Fuze) 2.3 pounds (1.0 kg) Comp B-4 HE M423 1,2,5,7,8 M156 White phosphorus (WP) 9.65 pounds (4.38 kg) 2.2 pounds (1.00 kg) WP M423 M429 1,2,6,7 M229 High explosive (HEPD); elongated M151 '17 pounder' 17.0 pounds (7.7 kg) (Fuzed) 4.8 pounds (2.2 kg) Comp B-4 HE M423 1,2,6,7 XM245 Submunition warhead possibly a modernized XM80/XM99 32 XM100 CS canisters 3 M247 High-explosive anti-tank (HEAT)/high-explosive dual purpose (HEDP) 8.8 pounds (4.0 kg) 2.0 pounds (0.91 kg) Comp B HE M438 PD 4 (integral to warhead) M255 APERS (anti-personnel) warhead 2500 28 grains (1.8 g) flechettes 9 M255E1/A1 Flechette warhead 14.0 pounds (6.4 kg) 1179 60 grains (3.9 g) flechettes M439 9 M257 Parachute illumination 11.0 pounds (5.0 kg) One M257 Candle (Flare) 1 million candela M442 10 (integral to warhead) M259 White phosphorus (WP) 9 M261 Multi-purpose submunition (MPSM) 13.5 pounds (6.1 kg) 9 M73 (Grenade) Submunitions M439 with M84 electric detonator 9 M264 Red phosphorus (RP) Smoke 8.6 pounds (3.9 kg) 72 RP Pellets M439 9 M267 MPSM Practice 13.5 pounds (6.1 kg) Three Marking SMs, 6 Metal Weights M439 with M84 electric Detonator 9 M274 Practice (Smoke) 9.3 pounds (4.2 kg) 2 ounces (57 g) of potassium perchlorate and aluminum powder M423 1 M278 Infra-red (IR) parachute illumination 11.0 pounds (5.0 kg) One M278 IR Flare M442 10 (integral to warhead) Mk 67 Mod 0 White phosphorus (WP) 1,2,6,7 Mk 67 Mod 1 Red phosphorus (RP) 1,2,6,7 WTU-1/B Practice 9.3 pounds (4.2 kg) Inert None None WDU-4/A APERS warhead 9.3 pounds (4.2 kg) 96 flechettes of unknown weight 12 (integral to warhead) WDU-4A/A APERS warhead 9.3 pounds (4.2 kg) 2205 20 grains (1.3 g) flechettes 12 (integral to warhead) The HYDRA-70 Rocket System is the Army name for the improved 2.75 Inch Rocket System and includes the following items: M260/M261 Light Weight Launchers (LWLs) MK66 Rocket Motor, Mods 1, 2, & 3 M151 (10 lb) HE Warhead with M423 PD Fuze M229 (17 lb) HE Warhead with M423 PD Fuze M255A1 Flechette Warhead with M439 RS Fuze M257 Illumination Warhead with M442 Fuze (delay) M261 MPSM/HE Warhead M264 Smoke Screening (RP) Warhead with M439 Fuze M267 MPSM Practice Warhead M274 Smoke Signature Practice Warhead M278 IR Flare Warhead with M439 RS Fuze In the US Army, Hydra 70 rockets are fired from the AH-64A Apache/AH-64D Apache Longbow using M261 19-tube rocket launchers, and the OH-58D Kiowa Warrior and the AH-1F "modernized" Cobra using seven-tube M260 rocket launchers. The AH-1G Cobra and the UH-1B "Huey" used M200 19-tube rocket launchers. The Navy uses the 19 round LAU-61C/A and the seven round LAU-68 D/A rocket launchers. These reusable launchers have an external thermal coating that greatly prolongs cook-off protection time. Full production of these launchers began in June 1985. //================================================================================================= I Get Confused Myself But There Are Mentions Of Longer Tube Variants Such As XM157B. Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Mk40 or Mk66? These are a matter of age and replacement. Mk40's are older then Mk66. The Hydra 70 family of WAFAR (Wrap-Around Fin Aerial Rocket), based on the Mk 66 universal motor, was developed from the previous 2.75 inch Mk 40 motor-based folding fin aerial rocket. The propellant grain is longer and of a different formulation than that of the MK40/MK4, however, the stabilizing rod and igniter are essentially the same design. The MK66 motors have a substantially higher thrust, 1,335 pounds-force (5,940 N) (Mod 2/3) 1,415 pounds-force (6,290 N) (Mod 4), and a longer range than the older motors. To provide additional stability the four rocket nozzles are scarfed at an angle to impart a slight spin to the rocket during flight. The Mk 40 was used during the Korean and Vietnam wars, being used to provide close air support to ground forces from about 20 different firing platforms, both fixed-wing and armed helicopters. Today, the OH-58D® Kiowa Warrior and AH-64D Apache Longbow, as well as the Marine Corp's AH-1 Cobra, carry the Hydra rocket launcher standard on its weapon pylons. Mk 66 rocket motor variants Designation Description Mk 66 Mod 0 70 mm (2.75 in) WAFAR universal motor; common motor for the GD Hydra 70 series of rockets; original prototype; for US Army Mk 66 Mod 1 Mk 66 variant; production variant; for US Army Mk 66 Mod 2 Mk 66 Mod 1 variant; HERO (Hazards of Electromagnetic Radiation to Ordnance) safe; for US Navy and US Air Force Mk 66 Mod 3 Mk 66 Mod 1 variant; HERO safe; Mk 66 Mod 2 for US Army Mk 66 Mod 4 Mk 66 Mod 2/3 variant; incorporates a Salt rod to reduce exhaust gases; for all services Mk 66 Mod 5 Mk 66 Mod 4 variant; Incorporates propellant venting during fast cook off Mk 66 Mod 6 Mk 66 Mod 4/5 variant; designed to reduce the tendency of secondary launch gasses to combust in the parent aircraft’s engine, primarily with the AH-64 helicopter More here about the 40 and 66 http://www.aircav.com/hydra70.html And this explains the differences http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/275in-rockets Edited August 13, 2015 by Spectre8750 Quote
+yakarov79 Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 //================================================================================================= ..... LAU-68/A 7-Tube 70 mm (2.75”) rocket launcher; US Army M158A1 M158A1 M158 variant; modified hardback mount; USAF LAU-68/A These launchers are not the same. Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 this are all the LAU-3 i have finish so far , please let me know if you find anything wrong or if you have suggestion about color or anything else NOTE: to install delet all existing LAU-3 versions from your mod folder LAU-3.7z includet are LAU-3A / LAU-3C / LAU-3D with or without nose and tail fairings (covers) and all the MK40 rockets i have finish so far the single LAU-3A is the replacement for the TW launcher with a white camo , i still look for a way to get some more LAU-3 launchers with a white camo in to the game if you go to the weapon selection in game you will find the LAU-3 with cover right below the LAU-10 and the LAU-3 without cover on the bottom of the rocket launcher list try them and let me know what you think about it , by the way i changed the color of the YellowSmoke.tga to a more yellowish appearance all effects work fine on my game 3 Quote
Nyghtfall Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Hi Volker, impressive work! I really like those pods and the smoke-effects. :) I did a quick test and found 3 things (Screenshots attached): - if you look at the "exhaust" of the twin-pods 3 rockets on each pod are of different color than the others. It doesn't seem to be intended...the single-pods don't have that. - on certain angles you can tractor beams. They seem to be visible, if rockets are in the pod. If the pods are empty they aren't there. - all pods seem to have "Attachmenttype=USAF", "Nationname=USAF" and "Exported=false". I guess some sort of differentiation or "NATO" instead of "USAF" could be better here. If this is intended or still WIP just ignore my comment. :) Keep up the good work! Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Thanks for the quick test - the twin-pods do only have 32 rockets that is the maximum the game allows thats why there are 3 rockets on each pod missing - the tactor beam is strange , can you find out what particular rocket or rocket pod is causing it - the attachment type USAF is from the original made by the Mirage Factory i just keept what was there Quote
Nyghtfall Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I tested several pods and combinations with unmodded planes and the tractor beam seems to be gone....so obviously it doesn't come from your great pods. Sorry for the confusion! :/ Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) I'm not getting that tractor beam effect either, seems to be working great so far Ravenclaw! Edited August 14, 2015 by Spectre8750 Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Ravenclaw, will these be included? LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19× / 7× Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively) LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19× CRV7 70 mm rockets) LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4× 127 mm (5.0 in) Zuni rockets) Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 15, 2015 Author Posted August 15, 2015 yap , the LAU-10 are almost finish by the way did the USAF ever use the LAU-10 ??? and i found a picture showing that the USAF is using the long warheads on fast movers , Mk66 rocket with M257 illumination warhead on a F-16 Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 According to Wiki, not that I put much credence into there sources, but I'm pretty sure I remember that they do use them. But let me check my books when I get back home. Quote
+Spectre8750 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) According to a Book I have Copyright 1986 Detail & Scale, I can only find LAU-68 7 Tube Launchers used. The Internet doesn't really have anything credible showing other Launchers, Not even the LAU-3. Edited August 15, 2015 by Spectre8750 Quote
+CrazyhorseB34 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Man this USAF attachment only is killing me! Urgg got to go through each one and add NATO, USN. Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 16, 2015 Author Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) i just added the NATO to all lau-3 pods but to get it working i may have to add the export as well , i will try why will you add the USN ??? did the navy use the LAU-3 ??? man i would be happy with a list showing me who used what Edited August 16, 2015 by ravenclaw_007 Quote
+CrazyhorseB34 Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 I was just testing them on an A-4! Oops! guess your right! Quote
+ravenclaw_007 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Posted August 17, 2015 i renamed the LAU-3 folders , this way the pods can be more easy selected , and i added all LAU-10 pods and rockets NOTE: you have to DELETE all existing LAU-3 and LAU-10 folders before you install this new pods LAU-10 and LAU-3.7z includet are : - LAU-3A twin and single mount , green camo - LAU-3C twin and single mount , green camo - LAU-3D twin and single mount , gray camo - LAU-10A Triple , twin and single mount , white color - LAU-10C Triple , twin and single mount , white color and gray camo - LAU-10D Triple , twin and single mount , white color and gray camo - 2.75 inch Mk40 rockets - 5 inch Mk16 rockets - 5 inch Mk71 rockets the AttachmentType for the LAU-3 pods are still USAF ( i may let it this way) the AttachmentType for the LAU-10A / C are USN,NATO for the LAU-10D USN only , the reason why i add the NATO to the A an C is that i found in the F-4F weapons delivery manual the A launchers with Mk16 rockets if you find anything wrong let me know 1 Quote
Nyghtfall Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 First: thanks for your work! I like the new pods. I'm no expert at those pods. But afaik in Vietnam the Navy used 19-shot Rocketpods as a common loadout on their Skyhawks. Some of them even get damaged while firing the rockets. Those pods were called Aero 7D. Some sources list LAU-3A/A or LAU-3 in brackets for them, so I would guess they are either the same or close enough. I did a quick search and found a picture of those 19shot pods on a Skyhawk. I'm off to work now, but I will look for more and better pcitures later. Quote
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