Snailman Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Fellow modders and players, maybe someone else has found out this bug, but I think it wouldn't hurt if I share it anyway. Perhaps you have noticed that early Germany missions lack SAM sites. Yes. Because they can't appear due to a bug in the terrain, namely the types.ini. The SAMLauncher and SAMRadar entries which are responsible or selecting SAM units have a faulty ActiveYear setting of 1965. Before that, no SAM can appear at any location, no matter if the targets.ini has the proper AvailableDate setting (1959, 1960 etc) Please check modded terrains whether they inherited this typo from the stock GermanyCE terrain files!! 1 Quote
+Menrva Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Jackpot! What can I say, you discovered a bug that is present on almost all terrains. I have a very huge mod folder with many terrains. Same ActiveYear setting of 1965. It's totally pointless that it is present. Even ActiveYear=0 should do, as long as SAM objects have their own Service Year statements correctly added. Edited February 13, 2017 by Menrva Quote
+yakarov79 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I was actualy wonderin about it last night. Regarding your SA-2 and SA-8 packs... Should I change naming in TERRAIN_types.ini to match yours new ground objects...? and yes all sams there Active year = 1965. Quote
Snailman Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) No, SAMLauncher and SAMRadar is a generic entry for random generated sites. Hard coded SAM entries and stuff occurs another bug, the lack of RWR . So just change these in types.ini, so they can call for available SAM types. [TargetType061]Name=SAMRadarFullName=SAM SiteTargetType=SAM_RADARUseGroundObject=TRUEActiveYear=1957TargetValue=200RepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosionSecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffectSecondaryChance=50[TargetType062]Name=SAMLauncherFullName=SAM SiteTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERUseGroundObject=TRUEActiveYear=1957TargetValue=100RepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=20StartIdentifiedChance=0IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosionSecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffectSecondaryChance=50 But you can set it to 1950 or anything lower like 1944 if you want whatif... Wasserfall, Enzian... etc Jackpot! What can I say, you discovered a bug that is present on almost all terrains. I have a very huge mod folder with many terrains. Same ActiveYear setting of 1965. It's totally pointless that it is present. Even ActiveYear=0 should do, as long as SAM objects have their own Service Year statements correctly added. Yes exactly. SAM availability is correct in data.ini and userlist.ini files. EDIT: Bug confirmed in Rends GermanyCE as well. Need to check all terrains where the Soviets themselves are present, anything pre-1965 (like Cuba, Kamchatka, etc) Edited February 13, 2017 by Snailman Quote
+yakarov79 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 ok..thanks. but also on types.ini lets say on my Israel terrain ive changed SAM_RADAR and SAM_LAUNCHER...already but also i have types below....regarding different SA-2.... [TargetType134]Name=SA-2LFullName=SA-2L Guideline SAMTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERUseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2L .......[TargetType135]Name=SA-2LCFullName=SA-2LC Guideline SAMTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERUseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LC............... [TargetType136]Name=SA-2LFFullName=SA-2LF Guideline SAMTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERUseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LF ............ but in fact in ground objects I have only SA-2 from your latest pack...LC1,LC2LE2,LE3,L and F... I don't have anymore stock SA-2.... Quote
Snailman Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 Don't do that... I mean directly referring to SAM objects in terrains. They must be generated, unless they won't work properly. They will, but the RWR will not warn you. It's a big bug, one of the biggest. Wrench has told us many times. Even the ones I did must be called from the generic SAMRadar and SAMLauncher entries. Sad, but true. This is why we can make dedicated long range SAM sites like Angara/Vega (SA-5) with Oborona (Tall King) radars. The exception is the SA-8 which cannot be placed correctly, as there is no Mobile_SAM placement routine. If you place them by terrain, again no RWR warning and display. Quote
+Wrench Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 A lot of time I'll just go ahead and list all the relevant SAMs for given region. That doesn't mean I actually USED them! Just an old habit! I prefer using the generic terms, even when I have a know specific type a given location (as on the Persian Gulf map -- I called them directly for many locations) Quote
Mike Dora Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 Thanks Snailman, very timely. The missing SAMs thing had been bugging me quite a bit recently. Now that I've changed the *types.ini SAM_RADAR and SAM_LAUNCHER ActiveYear setting to 1957, I am now seeing the SA-2's etc showing up where they should. BUT. When switching sides to Soviet/Warsaw Pact, I'm still not seeing common Western SAMs showing up, especially the HAWK family. Is there something further we need to do, to get them please? Cheers Mike Quote
Snailman Posted February 14, 2017 Author Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) There are no stock SAM items made by TW for the blue side. Therefore, stock maps have no SAM locations obviously. Custom maps have - if you have blue SAM addons and the map maker added them. But they work the same, so they have to use the same generic call. Edited February 14, 2017 by Snailman Quote
+EMCON360 Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Snailmans Type Order Is Correct And Is The Way I Set My Sam Systems Up Also I Use Group Order Type EW First Sam Radar Second And Launcher Third For Setup Then Match GroundObject Active-InActive Dates For Instance //----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [TargetType293]Name=BarlockFullName=P-35 Bar Lock RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1959TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=BarlockRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType294]Name=SpoonrestFullName=P-12/18 Spoon Rest EW RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1959TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SpoonrestRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=10000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType295]Name=SidenetFullName=PRV-11 Side Net HF RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1959TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SidenetRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType296]Name=FansongFullName=Fan Song-B RadarTargetType=SAM_RADARActiveYear=1959TargetValue=200UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=FansongRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType297]Name=SA-2LFullName=SA-2B SAM LauncherTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERActiveYear=1959TargetValue=100UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=20StartIdentifiedChance=0IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0MaxVisibleDist=6000.0DestroyedEffect=LargeExplosionEffectDestroyedModel=sa-2_launcher_destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 //----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [TargetType298]Name=BarlockCFullName=P-35 Bar Lock C RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1961TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=BarlockCRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType299]Name=SpoonrestCFullName=P-12/18 Spoon Rest C EW RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1961TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SpoonrestCRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=10000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType300]Name=SidenetCFullName=PRV-11 Side Net C HF RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1961TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SidenetCRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType301]Name=FansongCFullName=Fan Song-C RadarTargetType=SAM_RADARActiveYear=1961TargetValue=200UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=FansongCRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType302]Name=SA-2LCFullName=SA-2C SAM LauncherTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERActiveYear=1961TargetValue=100UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LCRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=20StartIdentifiedChance=0IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0MaxVisibleDist=6000.0DestroyedEffect=LargeExplosionEffectDestroyedModel=sa-2_launcher_destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 //----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [TargetType303]Name=BarlockEFullName=P-35 Bar Lock E RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1965TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=BarlockERepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType304]Name=SpoonrestEFullName=P-12/18 Spoon Rest E EW RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1965TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SpoonrestERepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=10000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType305]Name=SidenetEFullName=PRV-11 Side Net E HF RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1965TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SidenetERepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType306]Name=FansongEFullName=Fan Song-E RadarTargetType=SAM_RADARActiveYear=1965TargetValue=200UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=FansongERepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType307]Name=SA-2LEFullName=SA-2E SAM LauncherTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERActiveYear=1965TargetValue=100UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LERepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=20StartIdentifiedChance=0IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0MaxVisibleDist=6000.0DestroyedEffect=LargeExplosionEffectDestroyedModel=sa-2_launcher_destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 //----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [TargetType308]Name=BarlockFFullName=P-35 Bar Lock F RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1968TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=BarlockFRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType309]Name=SpoonrestFFullName=P-12/18 Spoon Rest F EW RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1968TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SpoonrestFRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=10000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType310]Name=SidenetFFullName=PRV-11 Side Net F HF RadarTargetType=EW_RADARActiveYear=1968TargetValue=150UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SidenetFRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType311]Name=FansongFFullName=Fan Song-F RadarTargetType=SAM_RADARActiveYear=1968TargetValue=200UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=FansongFRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=80StartIdentifiedChance=20IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10MaxVisibleDist=8000.0DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffectDestroyedModel=Radar_Destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType312]Name=SA-2LFFullName=SA-2F SAM LauncherTargetType=SAM_LAUNCHERActiveYear=1968TargetValue=100UseGroundObject=TRUEGroundObjectType=SA-2LFRepairRate=0.555StartDetectChance=20StartIdentifiedChance=0IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0MaxVisibleDist=6000.0DestroyedEffect=LargeExplosionEffectDestroyedModel=sa-2_launcher_destroyed.LODSecondaryEffect=SecondaryChance=0 //----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Third Wire Tgt Active Dates In Terrain Altenburg ActiveDate=01/01/1960Brandenburg ActiveDate=01/01/1967Chojna ActiveDate=01/01/1972Cottbus ActiveDate=01/01/1969Dessau ActiveDate=01/01/1966Dresden ActiveDate=01/01/1970East Berlin ActiveDate=01/01/1962Erfurt ActiveDate=01/01/1969Frankfurt an der Oder ActiveDate=01/01/1970Gera ActiveDate=01/01/1968Görlitz ActiveDate=01/01/1970Halle ActiveDate=01/01/1966Karl Marx Stadt ActiveDate=01/01/1973Kolobrzeg ActiveDate=01/01/1967Köthen ActiveDate=01/01/1969Leipzig ActiveDate=01/01/1970Merseburg ActiveDate=01/01/1971Neubrandenburg ActiveDate=01/01/1965Parchim ActiveDate=01/01/1959Potsdam ActiveDate=01/01/1966Praha ActiveDate=01/01/1970Rostock ActiveDate=01/01/1969Schwerin ActiveDate=01/01/1971Stralsund ActiveDate=01/01/1969Trollenhagen ActiveDate=01/01/1959Ústí nad Labem ActiveDate=01/01/1970Wittstock ActiveDate=01/01/1968Zwickau ActiveDate=01/01/1972 Then I Research For Additional Sites (Add_Ons) Kurzhivody, Czechoslovakia>>>Ralsko, Czechoslovakia ActiveDate=01/01/1968-01/01/1990 HQPilsen, Czechoslovakia ActiveDate=01/01/1968Chervona Vody, ? Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1961 - 1971• Krug (SA-4), 1971 - 1989• Buk-M1 (SA-11), 1989 - today Arnstadt, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 ActiveDate=01/01/1961-01/01/1984 HQGotha, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 ActiveDate=01/01/1984-01/01/1992 HQWeimar, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961Jena, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961Rudolfstadt, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 Meiningen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1980Saalfeld, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1980 Mühlhausen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988Bad Langensalza, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988Trügleben, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1961 - 1974• Krug (SA-4), 1974 - 1985• Buk (SA-11), 1985 - today Planken, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1969-01/01/1993 HQBernburg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1969Neuruppin, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1969Quarmbeck, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1969 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1960 - 1967• Krug (SA-4), 1967 - 1987• Buk (SA-11), 1987 - today Altenburg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968-01/01/1992 HQMerseburg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968Zeitz, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968 Wittenberg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1961 - 10.67• Krug (SA-4), 10.67 - 1987• Buk (SA-11), 1987 - today Staats, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968-01/01/1992 HQGardelegen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968Perleberg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1968 Stendal, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1960 - 1967• Krug (SA-4), 1967 - 1988• Buk (SA-11), 1988 - today Gotha, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1970 ActiveDate=01/01/1970-01/01/1984 HQElstal, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1984 ActiveDate=01/01/1984-01/01/1992 HQBad Langensalza, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1970Mühlhausen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1970 Rathenow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1984Vogelsang, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1984Dallgow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1984 Equipment:• Krug (SA-4), 12.69 - 1988• Buk (SA-11), 1988 - today Jüterbog-Damm, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1959 ActiveDate=01/01/1959-01/01/1994 HQGlau, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1959Kummersdorf-Gut, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1959 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1959 - 1972• Krug (SA-4), 1972 - 1997• S-300V (SA-12), 1997 - today Legnica, Poland ActiveDate=01/01/1962 ActiveDate=01/01/1962-01/01/1973 HQ Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1959 - 1973• Krug (SA-4), 1973 - 1989• Buk-M1 (SA-11), 1989 - today Magdeburg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1963 ActiveDate=01/01/1963-01/01/1991 HQBernburg, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1963Quarmbeck, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1963 Mahlwinkel, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1984 Rathenow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988Altengrabow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1959 - 1974• Krug (SA-4), 1974 - 1989• S-300V (SA-12), 1988 - today Rathenow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 ActiveDate=01/01/1961-01/01/1976 HQNeuruppin, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961Altengrabow, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1961 - 1976• Krug (SA-4), 1976 - 1998 (possibly Buk (SA-11) after 1992) Frankfurt-an-der-Oder, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 ActiveDate=01/01/1961-01/01/1975 HQKietz Island, ?Drachhausen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1961 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1960 - 1975• Krug (SA-4), 1975 - 1992 Gera-Tinz, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1960 ActiveDate=01/01/1960-01/01/1992 HQPlauen, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1960Karl-Marx Stadt, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1960 Chemnitz, East Germany ActiveDate=01/01/1988 Equipment:• S-75 (SA-2), 1960 - 1977• Krug (SA-4), 1977 - 1995 //--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [soviet] (SA-3) Putnitz-DamgartenParchim-DammRechlin-Larz-MirowWittstockGross-Dolln-TemplinNeuruppinFinow-EberswaldeOranienburgStendal-BorstelWerneuchenMahlwinkelSperenbergMockernBrandAltes-Lager-JuterbogZerbstKothenFinsterwaldeAlt-Lonnewitz-FalkenbergAllstedtMerseburgBrandisGrossenhainAltenburg-Nobitz (SA-5) Mockern [E_Germany] (SA-2) NeuenkirchenFuhlendorf (2 sites)OrtsamtPapenhagenRetschow (1989-SA-10 site) WarinTrammZiegendorfTriglitz AltwarpHeinrichswaldeSponholzBuchenhain (2 sites) SommerfeldKreuzbruch (2 sites)Sternebeck (2 sites)Rauen SudharzFreienbessingenTuttlebenRemda-TeichelWetterzeube DrebkauGrobraschen (2 sites)KroppenArnsdorf (SA-3) KreptitzBarhoftBastorfPoel SchonermarkFehrbellin (SA-5) Prangendorf Kraatz Saaleplatte [Czechoslovakia] (SA-2) KrimovHradistePernarecPresticeCizkov PrestavlkyKaciceHudlice (1990-SA-10 site)RybnikyHostinVlkavaPrehvozdiBukovany RohozecKetkovicePribice (SA-3) PrelicBratroniceSvrkyneChyneBuboviceKytinVelenZbraslav RosiceOrechov (SA-5) Podbrdy Lesni Jakubov [Poland] (SA-2) DopiewoPostominoWolinDziwnowKiekrzGrzedziceSmiechowUstkaOwczeglowyBanie (SA-3) DuninowoSwierznoMielnoBiedruskoJanyGoleniceGaworzyceKornikWarniceRewalMrzezyno (1987-SA-5 site)ObornikiSwinoujscieDarlowoDronikiKarlino //=================================================================================================== Bit Of A Data Dump But You Guys Get The Picture Quote
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