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View File Mig-23UB Cockpit This is the Mig-23UB two seat trainer/fighter cockpit for Lindr2's masterful Mig-23UB. full instructions, credits and historical notes in the enclosed read me Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 08/19/2009 Category Jet Cockpits  

Lindr2, I love that green cockpit display in the radar area!!!!

Gepard! I am very impressed with your Mig-23MK flight model! You seem to have studied the strengths and weaknesses of the Mig-23M series very carefully and done some long work to make your flight model to highlight its quirks and strengths! Downloadable at: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=23486

Early alpha Mig-23UB two seat cockpit: I also want to add a pencil and a stopwatch I think. Anyone want to guess why that number "310" is plastered in red in two places in the cockpit and underlined? (Real historical reason).

Thank you!

Yes, Lindr2 can help with the avionics!!!! Maybe we can use Lindr2's avionics and Neles flight models.

Hi Epizikl, Yes, I am correctly being corrected for putting out other people's avionics.inis and sometimes flight models which are incredibly off target-although I appreciate their efforts- (which all have to be included just to make the @$$&!! Mig-23 specific HUDs and, ECM, weapons systems work (as in the P and MLA which do not have their own supporting aircraft at all!) which were done by other people! (Sounds like the actual Mig-23!). So, I need to put off all more work on the Mig-27 cockpits (and Mig-23BN attack variant cockpits) until I get all the currently published Mig-23-included avionics and occasional flight models up to par which I have already published! I think I will try to include and integrate Nele's avionics.inis, flight model,.inis and aircraft.inis accurate versions (listed in an above post) and republish them in the current Mig-23 series cockpits before I continue with the Mig ground attack series cockpits (which are mostly done). Sounds like I am heading more and more towards producing a whole aircraft rather than just a cockpit...but oh well! Hmmm, does "art" mirror history on the Mig-23?!!!

You can try downloading it again. I just changed and uploaded a new avionics.ini that I might have messed up after multiple version uploads. The newest is V1.5. I am going dizzy after keeping track of twelve or so different Mig-23/27 cockpits in several SFP1 versions for testing.

Thanks, I just found it. I'll need to try them out. They are here if anyone is interested. http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...870&hl=nele Mig-23M, MF, ML, MLD here. http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...237&hl=nele Mig-27 D and K version here. http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...097&hl=nele Mig-23B and BN version here. EDIT: I personally really like these data.ini files and they seem to make the Mig 23/27s act very close to what the reports listed above show...ie. they "ain't rolling like T-38s any more", some will depart pretty fast and they don't turn like Mig-19s any more. It looks like he did some pretty serious research. If you want only the flight models changed, just add only his data.ini to your Mig-23/Mig27. If you add all four included files ie. data.ini, avionics.ini, etc. you will lose your Mig-23 working HUD. So only add the data.ini for flight model changes and loadout.ini....of course you can fiddle all you want in a composite way and add some of his avionics.ini to the already existing one and merge them... I will probably do that for my own Mig-23/Mig27s.

I am just putting it up for discussion. I think most of the currently published Mig-23 flight models might roll and turn way too fast. Right now, I am just involved with the never-ending Mig-23/Mig-27 cockpits. Comments? http://www.warbirdsofdelaware.com/Airplane...87/Default.aspx http://books.google.com/books?id=6yJ8gfVAm...lt&resnum=4 http://dewarbirdracing.com/Airplanes/MiG23...87/Default.aspx http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/vie...20-%200508.html

Hey, why are people getting so pissed off at me. All I do is make the cockpits and try to make them flyable using already published .inis and obviously you use other people's flight models. Remember, I am publishing the *cockpits* in the "cockpit" section...not the ".ini", or complete "aircraft", etc. section. If you have a problem with the avionics.ini, or flight model, they're not mine...frankly I have a lot of problems with them too...but I have to include them just so my cockpits will work and you don't have to hunt all over combatace or the Internet to get the missing components. I know it is frustating for you, but it is frustrating for me as well.

I am just working on the cockpits right now. I use other people's published- on- combatace avionics.ini and cockpit.ini files- Mirage factory, Starfighter, Lindr2 etc. These Mig-23/27 cockpits are just swamping me -(12- or so). You are right that it needs ecm in many cases. I also think severe work needs to be done on most Mig-23 flight models to dumb the hel_ out of them- (the sfp1 versions seem currently to maneuver like F-5s in a fight)...however Gephard did the flight model (well I think) on his Mig-23 MK carrier version downloadable at: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...amp;hl=mig-23mk The Mig-23s could barely get out of their own way if they maneuvered according to all the information I have although they had exceptional acceleration, climb and speed: Flight test links: http://www.warbirdsofdelaware.com/Airplane...87/Default.aspx F-18.http://quicklink.all.googlepages.com/mig23.htm http://books.google.com/books?id=6yJ8gfVAm...lt&resnum=4 http://dewarbirdracing.com/Airplanes/MiG23...87/Default.aspx http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/vie...20-%200508.html I think we need people to work on the avionics as well as the flght models. Maybe I will make some mig-23 flight models someday.

You might need the latest WOE update...or You might have to use the mig-23 WOE LODs. This would mean extracting the objects file. They do work in both my WOE and all my SFP1 sims.

I like actual color photos so I can make (especially my cockpits) as accurate as possible down to the rivet. When, I can't do any more or I hit a brick wall on accuracy, I just shrug and move on. For consolation, I consider the old Janes US naval fighters, where we were lucky to get even a general likeness and I was happy. The SFP12 series is infinitely more maleable than the Janes series on modding cockpits.

View File Mig-23MLD Cockpit (V1.3) (TMF) This is the Mig-23MLD cockpit. The Mig-23MLD was the "ultimate" and last version Mig-23 released starting in 1982. I added quite a few changes compared to the earlier ones including a new HUD from Starfighter 2 and Lindr2, a new cockpit color and changed the gunsight around to match photos better. It now has two new knobs on it according to photos. Full instructions in the read me, along with all sorts of historical and operational notes Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 08/11/2009 Category Jet Cockpits  

View File Mig23-P Cockpit - Air Defense version (TMF) Mig-23P cockpit made by Ordway, Starfighter2, lindr2. Original cockpit made by Armourdave and Sal. Avionics and optional advanced flight model by Nele. The Mig-23P was the "within-borders" air-defense version with the enemies' data listed on the HUD. It had incredible data linking capabilities. This is the Mig-23P cockpit in a Russian blue color and modded to the Mig-23P standard from Armourdave and Sal's Mig-23 grey-colored cockpit. I repainted it and added some details, placards, new switches and instruments from color photos. Full install instructions, historical notes and credits in the enclosed read me Enjoy! Not for payware. Submitter ordway Submitted 08/11/2009 Category Jet Cockpits  

Thanks, I have already experimented with the Avionics.ini file. I will try again.

Thanks, I am using the bigger photo now. The other was harder to use.

Thanks. Since there seems to be interest, I might as well do the Indians too.

I don't have the 3dmax code for this. So I am working around it. These Mig-23/Mig-27 cockpits seem literally to be different in every single photo! Wow, the Soviets were busy. This is by far the most work and time intensive bunch of cockpits that I have ever worked on.

View File Mig-23 MLA Cockpit V1.3 (TMF) This is the SFP1 series cockpit (version 1.3) for a Mig-23 version, the Mig-23MLA of the Mirage factory. First, download the Mirage factory Mig-23 package here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=5211 Mig-23MLA cockpit additions made by Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway, Starfighter2, lindr2. Thanks to Armour Dave and Sal for the cockpit. The Mig-23MLA was an improved version over the ML (better avionics)and was used by the Soviet Union and was exported. Full install instructions, historical notes and credits in the enclosed read me Enjoy!! Submitter ordway Submitted 08/06/2009 Category Jet Cockpits