ordway

Thanks, I tried this with your imput. It worked. However, it now has an F-16 view without any cockpit framing whatsoever in any view whatsoever and has a wickedly good F-16 view like you are sitting on the tip of a telephone pole.. I guess if every plane had no cockpit framing shown it might be okay.

>Great news Ordway, an old wish coming true . Remember there is also the trick to get rid of the windscreen framing (the Draken basically had a single piece screen, I'll >send it to you if you like) and would there be a possibility to get rid of the second set of engine instrruments? The only problem that would remain is the F35 pit of the Danish >Drakens which had no radar, but then only a small number of then were built.... Very interesting! Yes please send me all the files you have. 1) So the Draken had two thin windscreen frames. So how would I replicate this? Any input from anyone is welcome. 2) Are the grey round knobs on the left side of the F4E gunsight imbedded in with the gunsight mesh as a whole? I could not find individual left side knob meshes to eliminate... 3) Does anyone know how to get rid of those extra engine instruments in the F-4E? They seem to be all or nothing.

SFP1 J-35 Draken cockpit candidates WIP based on Gepard's F4E Draklen cockpit. The Draken had the radar high up on the instrument panel, not buried down between the pilot's knees. As Gepard points out, the F4E has this feature. I am also working a bit on refining the flight model, particularily the roll characteristics based from a computer flight model made with actuall Draken pilots imput. Actual late model Draken cockpit with tape instruments. Saab J35J candiate Mid to late series Saab Draken cockpit

You need to read the tutorials (Gepard's) in the help section on the TE. I am working (have been working on an Angola terrain for 2 years) with the TE and am still learning how to make it work. If you keep at it, you will eventually finish your terrain. It sounds like (but I may be wrong) that your texture list of the Korean terrain is not complete. It is extremely tricky. If you are missing some tiles or if the Korean texture list is missing even a little, it will not work. First, may I suggest that if the Korean terrain is based on the WOE terrain, that you start with the WOE terrain just like Gepard suggests in his tutorial (but first add (import) the sea tile or it won't work). Then run the TE. Then start adding Korean tiles one by one, testing it in the TE, saving it in the TE and keep adding Korean tiles one by one until it all works. Secondly (or maybe firstly), you can email the Korean map authors and request their Korean texture lists and trying that in the TE.

I am back working on the Angola/SW Africa terrain...I just restarted for the fifth time...Dec 2010.

I've been working hard on the Angolan/Southwest Africa terrain for six months. I just had to start over again last week for the fifth time. It is quite a bear with vast terrain changes over the area covered.

Nice photos! Do you think you could work them into a working HUD?

View File Vampire cockpit -single-engine Egyptian-modified (combat veteran) This is a single-engine Egyptian-Modified Vampire jet cockpit for SFP2 with single engine gages based on the Thirdwire Meteor cockpit. You need SFP2 Israel and expansion pack. It is a combat veteran and fought air to air combat against Israeli Meteors, Dassault Ouragans, Mystere IVAs and later against Pakistani F-86 Sabres according to sources. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It has gages moved, and BMP gages and bitmaps added from multiple Vampire color cockpit photos and the DH Vampire cockpit manual. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMBAT HISTORY: MIDDLE EAST: First Middle East jet combats occurred in 1955. September 1, 1955, - 2 Egyptian FB.52 vampires were shot down by an Israeli Gloster Meteor. Another Egyptian FB.52 Vampire was shot down by a Dassault Ouragan April 12, 1956.- Shlomo Aloni, Arab-Israeli Air Wars 1947-82, p23. Israeli victories -acig 29Aug55 117 sqn Meteor F.8 M.Lavon 20mm Vampire FB.52 EAF 1Sep55 117 sqn Meteor F.8 A. Yoeli 20mm Vampire FB.52 EAF 1Sep55 117 sqn Meteor F.8 A. Yoeli 20mm Vampire FB.52 EAF 12Apr56 113 sqn Ouragan D. Kishon 20mm Vampire FB.52 2 sqn EAF 31Oct56 101 sqn Mystere IVA S.Egoziz 30mm Vampire FB.52 31 sqn EAF 31Oct56 101 sqn Mystere IVA S.Egoziz 30mm Vampire FB.52 31 sqn EAF 31Oct56 101 sqn Mystere IVA A. Shavit 30mm Vampire FB.52 31 sqn EAF 31Oct56 101 sqn Mystere IVA A. Shavit 30mm Vampire FB.52 31 sqn EAF http://www.acig.org/...ticle_255.shtml By 11:00hrs also four Vampires strafed the Israeli column near al-Thamed, causing even more damage. They were followed by more Vampires and also Meteors of the 5 Sqn EAF, all of which were escorted by the MiG-15 and hit the Israelis very hard. The Israelis claimed destruction of four Vampires http://www.acig.org/...ticle_256.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ INDO-PAKASTANI War On September 1, 1965, during the Indo-Pakistani War, IAF Vampires saw action for the first time with India. No. 45 Squadron responded to a request for strikes against a counter-attack by the Pakistani Army (Operation Grand Slam) and four Vampire Mk 52 fighter-bombers were successful in slowing the Pakistani advance. However, the Vampires encountered two Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-86 Sabres, armed with air to air missiles; in the ensuing dogfight, the outdated Vampires were outclassed. One was shot down by ground fire and another three were shot down by Sabres.[17] The Vampires were withdrawn from front line service after these losses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHTING IN THE VAMPIRE: The Vampire had a lower wing loading than the Meteor and therefore should be able to out turn the Meteor in a turning fight all other things being equal. The Meteor being much faster, faster climbing and more powerful will dominate a vertical fight. 1. Keep fast against enemy prop fighters...you are faster than them, but you lose energy fast and can't regain it easily. 2. Try to out turn enemy jets...you usually have a lower wingloading. The enemy Meteor is much more powerful than you, much faster than you, has a much higher climb rate then you and he can dominate a vertical fight. The Vampire reportedly had beautiful handling qualities but was extremely underpowered. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DIRECTIONS: REQUIREMENTS: SFP2 Israel2 and expansion pack. Directions: 1. Download folder 2. Backup everything in Vampire52 folder (This has new Egyptian loading and hanger screens, and newini. and cockpit.ini as well as a new cockpit). 3. Download this into your aircraft folder usually located at C:\Mydocuments and settings\yourname\My Documents\Thirdwire\StrikeFighters2 Israel\Objects\Aircraft 4. Say yes when asked to overwrite. 5. Done. Enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Credits: TK and Thirdwire for the sim and their beautiful Meteor cockpit. Submitter ordway Submitted 06/29/2010 Category Jet Cockpits

View File MiG-27K Cockpit with complex working HUD- Ultimate ground attack fighter version of the MiG-27 series Mig-27K (Flogger-J2) ground attack fighter cockpit (SFP1 series) made by Ordway, Starfighter2, lindr2 based on color cockpit photos and cockpit diagrams. Original cockpit made by Armourdave and Sal. Avionics and optional advanced flight model by Nele. You need avionics 70 and the latest patch updates from Thirdwire. Tested on Windows XP and not Vista. However it might work on Vista too. This is the cockpit for the ultimate Soviet MIG-27K ground attack fighter in 1980. It was the ultimate MiG-27 version. It has a different cockpit from all the rest of the MiG-27s with more complexity and by far the most complex HUD. The MiG-27K added a laser designator and compatibility with TV-guided electro-optical weapons. Around 200 were built. It would probably have been one of the first attackers against NATO in a NATO versus Soviet block confrontation in the 1980s (under the tense relations of the American administration of "Ronney-the-Ray Gun". It is referenced from color photographs and original cockpit diagrams. The real TV screen will appear as usual, in the upper right hand corner when using many guided bombs/missiles. No one I knew could figure out how to make it work on the instrument panel in the correct area.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MiG-27K History: Initial flight of the ultimate MiG-27K prototype was in December 1974. It was finally accepted into service in 1980. Its avionics were so state-of-the-art (for the Soviets), that it took quite a while to work out all the bugs and make it operational. The MiG 27, had superb low altitude, high speed capabilities and could out run many other fighters. The MiG-27K could carry all the "smart" munitions including the KAB-500L LGB. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directions: 1) Download Lindr2's Mig-27 series at http://forum.combata...p;showfile=6576 2) Back it up just in case. 3) Just download the contents of whole filefolder Mig-27K intact into your aircraft folder as one folder. 4) When asked to overwrite say yes. -Finished! Thanks to Lindr2 for all his sustained hard and dedicated work. Thanks to Armourdave and Sal for the original cockpit. Thanks to Lindr2 and Epizikl for help with the cockpit research and photos. Thanks to Lindr2 for the various TV (optical) cockpit images. Thanks to Armour Dave and Sal for the cockpit. Thanks to Starfighter2, lindr2 for the Mig-23P HUD which has stymied modelers until now that I know of. Thanks to the Mirage factory for the Mig-23ML downloadable as a pack from combatace in the pack called Mirage Factory MiG-23 "Flogger" Series. Submitter ordway Submitted 06/19/2010 Category Jet Cockpits

View File SF2 MiG-23MF fighter- Cockpit, working Mig-23MF HUD, and aircraft Included is the fully working MiG-23MF 'Flogger-B', cockpit and working Mig-23MF HUD cockpit converted to SFP2. This MiG-23MF swing wing fighter saw much combat and claimed multiple kills over the years. The Mig-23/Mig-27 was the most important Soviet fighter type from the mid-to-late 1970s. It was designed to replace the famous MiG-21. The MiG-23MF was a first generation MiG-23 and was not designed for close-in maneuvering. This would come with the later second generation MiG-23ML ("L" for lightweight). However, the MiG-23MF was still formidable if used as a hit and run fighter. Short takeoff and landing was a major consideration in the case of a NATO vs WARSAW Pact confrontation. Also, the Mig-23 was designed to be able to be able to accept or decline combat against western fighters using hit and run tactics- maneuverability being a secondary consideration. As a result, it was designed to be faster in speed, faster accelerating and faster climbing than most western fighters...in which it mostly suceeded. It was much faster climbing than the F-4 Phantom with a reported initial climb rate of 45,000+ feet per minute. However, it reportedly had an even higher wing loading than the Phantom of about 94/lbs per sq feet at normal takeoff weight and normal wing sweep. One of the contributing results was reportedly a very poor instantaneous turn rate of 11.5 degrees per second at Mach .9 at 15,093 feet and 8.6 degrees per second at Mach .5 at 15,093 feet (Mike Spick-Illustrated Directory of Fighters). The Mig-21 reportedly had a much better maximum instantaneous turn rate of around 18.9 deg/sec. in some configurations. Although a lot of factors are involved in instantaneous turn rates, it does give a general idea. It equipped more Soviet fighter and attack regiments than any other Soviet fighter then in service in the 1970s. Over a thousand were estimated to be confronting NATO from both Soviet and WARSAW Pact nations. This is from the original Mirage Factory (although it has been modified by so many people over the years that it is basically a new aircraft). This Mig-23MF was a major production model after 1978. It could fire beyond visual range (BVR) missiles even for foreign countries and had a standard internal 23mm gun. Its radar was thought to be broadly comparable to the McDonnell Douglas F4J Phantoms' radar...formidable indeed. Mig-23s emerged victorious against maneuvering Western-trained Mirage F-1s over Africa on 27 September 1987, so the Mig-23's weapons systems could be effective. http://www.acig.org/...ticle_184.shtml You can download the original Mirage Factory Mig-23 SFP1 package here: http://forum.combata...p;showfile=5211 The Mig-23MF was the first major production version and also used largely for export. It saw combat in the Middle East with Syria and reportedly had some F-4 and F-16 kills. It was a much improved export version after the previous MS version. The Warsaw pact, India, Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Cuba and others used the MF version. It fired radar-guided missiles and so was a BVR threat with its AA-7 Apex missiles. Pilot report http://www.warbirdso...87/Default.aspx This was so complicated to make work in SFP2, that I had to end up just making it one complete download. If it wasn't loading or blowing up on the runway, then the HUD was not visible, the pilot was out of his seat, the plane was invisible, or the cockpit was invisible, pieces were flying permanently along side you in flight blocking your view, you were flying sideways, and you could not pick weapons. It took pieces from endless airplanes and projects to finally make it work including parts from SFP2. To my surprise, -the jewel-, the extremely complex Mig-23MF working HUD from Starfighter in SFP1 actually started working! Directions: 1) Back up your Mig-23MF folder. 2) Just download the whole filefolder Mig-23MF intact into your SFP2 aircraft folder as one folder....ie into the C:\mydocuments\thirdwire\SFP2\objects\aircraft 3) When asked to overwrite say yes. -Finished! MiG-23M 'Flogger-B' First production fighter MiG-23MF 'Flogger-B' Improved MiG-23M with a new radar and an infrared sensor pod, major production model after 1978 For strengths, it had incredible acceleration that reportedly equalled the later F-16 and F-15s. It also had an incredible climb rate and almost unmatched speed at low altitudes. For weaknesses, it had a terribly slow turn, slow rate of roll and high angle of attack limitations and vicious stall characteristics in certain situations. Better keep it fast. Good tactics in the MF are to sneak in fast at a low altitude, shoot and then run or use your fantastic rate of climb and acceleration in a vertical fight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLIGHT NOTES FROM A MiG-23 PILOT: The Mig-23 had incredible strengths and incredible weaknesses. WEAKNESSES: For weaknesses, most Mig-23s never could turn or roll very well compared to its enemies and had very heavy controls. Its roll was hurt by its control system (spoilers and a diferential tail and the disconnection of spoilers at any but 16 degrees). In close combat, the earlier versions in particular were a deathtrap because unless the pilot stayed within certain tight maneuvering limits, it would often lose control and simply crash. Its cockpit visiblility was one of the worst of any fighter. Visibility is life in a dogfight. It had slushy controls in many areas of its flight regime and its nose would often hunt back and forth. Its unpredictable accelerated stall was often taking ones life into ones hands if attempted. It also had the typical Soviet disadvantage of a very short range. There are reports of its radar not working much of the time and it often not being mission ready. It is hard to use an aircraft if it is not working. Red Eagles, Steve Davies "Flying the Mig-23" http://books.google....result&resnum=4 It is true that later versions had much improved handling/systems. However, I understand that maneuvering limits still existed. http://dewarbirdraci...87/Default.aspx http://www.flightglo...20-%200508.html http://www.warbirdso...87/Default.aspx Thanks to -The Mirage Factory for the original Mig-23 in SFP1. -Lindr2 , for the new external model and for armament options. -Armourdave and Sal for orignal SU-17 cockpit. -Nele for the superb flight model that shows that the Mig-23 goes straight and up like an arrow, but is a bear in the turning and rolling department and accelerated stall department. -column5 Previous Flight Model: -Pasko Pilot -USAFMTL, Crab_02, Sony Tuckson Testing, etc: -Starfighter2- for the incredible avionics HUD -Wrench- helpful hints on moving around the SFP1 cockpit gages and hints on converting aircraft to SFP2. TK and Thirdwire - for SFP1 and the armament and options in the SFP2 version. Not for payware in anyway. If you develop this more, please quote the authors. Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 06/12/2010 Category MiG-23

The short answer is yes. They were basically the same aircraft in the cockpit...but maybe more electronics/replaced newer items in the later Saar. Unless I can find a cockpit photo of a Saar. The Saar might have had a blue artifical horizon added...if so I would make a separate Saar cockpit and release it in a jiffy!

View File SFP2 Israeli-modified Super Mystere Cockpit New SFP2 Israeli-modified Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit for Wings Over Israel2 (I could not get the SFP1 version to work in SFP2 and had to start over again with SFP2). Gages have been moved, eliminated and added. Bitmaps were added. Color photos and cockpit diagrams of the Super Mystere were used as reference. You need the Wings over Israel 2 for the Dassault SMB2 Super Mystere. Originally inspired by CA_Stary (photo-realistic early to mid life additions added by Richard "Pitts2A"Ordway). version 1.0 June 07, 2010 You NEED SFP2 Israel and a previous SFP2 addon (with the F-100D Super Sabre) such as SFP2, WOV2, WOE2, to use it! 3D .LOD files not included! ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ Credits: CA_Stary for all his hard work to make the brilliant basic Super Mystere B.2. in SFP1 Thanks to Frank Safrenek and Michel Gerard of Mirage Aircraft of Flightsimulator.com for pics of the Mystere IVA and Ouragan-many of which carry over to the Super Mystere. http://www.mirage4fs.com/ TK for Wings Over Israel2 and a bitmap image of a Meteor battery gage. Lexx_Luthor for his "Generic Cockpits: applications to strategic air warfare" at Thirdwire forums and cockpits MOVE editing discoveries. Really great stuff there! Wrench, for his tutorial about adding F-100D cockpit to unflyable WOI 1 planes. And suggestions to use Hun's pit in Super Mystere. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ This is a modification of Thirdwire F-100D sfp2 cockpit to represent the Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ Installation: The 3D F-100D base cockpit is NOT included! If you have any previous merged SFP2 installs, you can just add the contents of this download to the Super Mystere folder and it should work. If you have only the SFP2 Israel alone, then you need to extract the F-100 contents and add it to the Super Mystere folder. It's two minutes work anyway. CAT File Extract Utility can be found at: http://combatace.com...3-catpack-archi ving-utility/ Included are ini files and all repainted textures. 1. Extract the archive to your C: MydocumentsThirdwireWings Over Israel2ObjectsAircraftSuperMystereB2 folder 2. Using the CAT File Extract Utility extract from SFP2 the F-100D_PIT.LOD...and all the other F-100 files if you want. More precisely, from "ObjectData.cat" found in "other_Thirdwire_jet_simulationObjects" directory extract the file: "F-100D_PIT.LOD" -this file is the geometry of the Super Sabre cockpit. It's core file and cannot be redistributed. Period. 3. Copy this file into C: MydocumentsThirdwireWings Over Israel2ObjectsAircraftSuperMystereB2cockpit folder. 4.That's it. Nothing more needed. Go flying! ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ HISTORY: The Dassault SMB2 Super Mystere was the basic equivalent of the North American F-100 Super Sabre except smaller and much less powerful. It saw much air-air combat and gave stellar value to Israel. Over Saykal, the Israeli Super Mysteres encountered a pair of Syrian MiG-21s and although outclassed by the MiGs, shot both of them down. By the end of the first day of 1967 Six Days War hositilities, Super Mysteres had destroyed 5 aircraft in the air. http://www.geocities...anaveral/Hangar /2848/smbd.htm http://www.acig.org/...h/article_255.s html In 1975, Israel sold 12 complete airframes and 6 sets of spares to Honduras. The aircraft were involved in numerous border skirmishes with Nicaragua and were finally withdrawn from service in 1996. http://en.wikipedia....sault_Super_Mys t%C3%A8re ==================================== Tactics: The Super Mystere has almost the same thrust/weight t/w ratio as the F-100. It has a noticeably lower wing loading than the F-100 so can out turn it all other things being equal. It can't climb as fast as the F-100-(Mike Spick, Illustrated Directory of Fighters). Against the Mig-19 and Mig-21 and MiG 23, try to out turn them. Against the Vampire, Meteor, Mig-15, Mig-17 try to do vertical yo yos while turning. ===================================== Legal stuff: You can do whatever you want with this, as long as you don't include it in any payware package. Giving us credits would be fine. Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway Przemek "CA_Stary" Starkiewiczfor Wings Over Submitter ordway Submitted 06/08/2010 Category Jet Cockpits

Vampire single engine jet cockpit almost finished. This can also probably be used for the new DH Venom as well. Done from the aircraft manual as well as multiple color cockpit photos. Some gages moved and changed, placards added and bitmats added and colors added and changed.

SFP2 SMB2 Super Mystere cockpit almost finished. I used color cockpit photos as reference. I could not get the SFP1 Super Mystere cockpit working so I started one from a SFP2. I have moved some items and added colors and placards.

Ouch! I will look into it.

Thanks Kevin and Guyran! The fix works!

Thanks! However, I can't see out of the dark green front window very well. Does anyone know of a way to make it clear? Thanks,