PraetorH

Die Bilder vom Starfighter machen echt Lust auf Mehr! Vielen Dank dafür! Ich hoffe, die skins beinhalten auch die ganz frühen Silber-Varianten. Und für ein neues High-Res cockpit würde ich definitiv Geld zahlen. Ich war lange nicht mehr im Forum: hat TK irgendwelche Pläne für ein neues Strike Fighters Spiel oder wenigstens DLC?

Thanks! I have to be honest and say that the name RED NOVEMBER is merely a joke, since I had just read "The Hunt for Red October". The Red Griffin is a hint to the true name, POMMERN (Engl.: Pomerania), which is a region in North-East Germany and its coat of arms features the Red Griffon. This name is also better in line with the East German naming convention of ships. Now I just have to create a few E-German ships... Sadly, there are none in game. Surprisingly E-Germany had a rather impressive indigenous ship-building programme considering how small the country was - and how insignificant the navy. But some Soviet copies will do for the POMMERN battlegroup. I just wish the Yak-38 was a better plane. Defending yourself against Tomcats and Hornets is not really fun... I wonder how they would have performed in real conflict. Nope. I had it on, but deleted it again, because the small plane really looks a bit cluttered with all the insignia, numbers, coat of arms, and VOLKSMARINE text. Moreover, unlike the West German Bundesmarine, the Volksmarine aircraft did not sport such a text. Historically speaking, this is probably what an East German Yak-38 would have looked like (perhaps with a smaller Griffin). Maybe they would have had an all blue camouflage... I could do that. But I like the combination of blue and green a lot.

Not a bad idea! But I think Norway is an even better candidate for the F-106. Think about it: they have got a huge territory to cover if you consider the Norwegian Sea, including the oil fields. This is the Soviet Naval Aviation's play field and having long range interceptors is quite an advantage.

The Hunt for RED NOVEMBER In the mid-80ies, the East German Volksmarine comissioned its new flag ship: the Schwere Flugdeckkreuzer ROTER NOVEMBER, named in honour of the November revolution in Germany which was initiated by the sailors of the navy. Its task was to secure the Baltic Sea, support the conquest of Denmark by Pact marine forces, and break through to the Northern Sea together with the Soviet Red Banner Baltic Fleet. The presence of an aircraft carrier - even one as limited as the ROTER NOVEMBER - changed the balance of power in the Baltic. The first contact, however, was not made by the Bundesmarine, but by the US Navy when ROTER NOVEMBER transferred from the Soviet docks to E-Germany.

Looking forward to it!

Nice! On next weekend I will try another 70ies Marineflieger myself. Yep, Harriers would be cool, even though 1996 is too modern for my tastes. (But that is my problem! ) However I would recommend going for the Norm 87, if the Harrier is not primarily used as fighter. The Tornados had this scheme until going to the Luftwaffe. http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/schemes/n87_e.htm The all-grey navy paintjob only came in recently, 2005, iirc.

Cool! I always liked the Soviet carrier aviation because of its extreme underdog role in a hypothetical WWIII.

Very nice project! I myself toyed a lot with the idea of a German carrier, and now that I have returned to SF and even have NA, I will enjoy this. I must admit I'd prefer a Cold War carrier with jump jets (VAK 191 anyone?), but ok... :) The Fulcrums indicate it is a post-Cold War project, and obviously Germany needs to project power across the seas in the new world order. The real Germany wisely refrains from projecting power in such an expensive and aggressive way, but it is not a totally absurd idea. In the Cold War of course there is no reason for a German carrier, even though I am trying hard to come up with some...

Indeed, odd but attractive.

last time I checked both of them were still dead... This does not change the fact that historical movies need good advisors, preferably from both sides... And should the sad day come to us that all veterans from all countries are dead, there are still historians.

So eine Su-22 in Norm 83 wäre doch was feines... ;)

Sure, but you have to consider that pilots often really did not know what hit them or their comrades. When a GCI guided, supersonic MiG-21 closes in from the ground, fires its IR missiles and heads back to the ground clutter, there is the chance that it never was spotted or detected. The US pilots then must have concluded it was a SAM. Of course, they as much as their superiors liked the notion better being shot by SAM, rather than by one of the dreadfully outnumbered MiGs.

Another Thud Norm 72 camo for JaBoG 31 "Boelcke" and Norm 76 for the MFG 2 (note the ASM):

Bemerkenswert, da nur noch minimale Wartung (d.h. ist am Boden noch zu Versuchen tauglich) betrieben wurde... Es kann natürlich gut sein. Ich würde jedenfalls vorsichtig sein, damit zu fliegen, auch wenn es eine Zulassung gibt.

You are right. There is hardly a way making it a fighter. But there was another engine considered for a British export version, the Olympus BOI.22R (Mk. 320), the same that powered the BAC TSR.2. It might be a worthy what-if for the Brits out here I won't be adding AIM-7 for Germany and I have, on the whole abandoned the idea of a fighter Thud. It will be the plan that was rejected for financial reasons: F-104 for the fighters, F-105 for the fighter bombers, and G-91 for the light bombers. Although I am not a fan of the hump, I would add it for an ICE, but lacking 3D-modeling capabilities I cannot...

Der letzte Flug war am 2. Oktober 1998. Und es stehen m.W.n. immer noch zwei in den Hangars von WTD 61 rum, aber wohl kaum noch flugfähig.

Easy with such a template. Next is JBG 32:

Can't say I am a fan of the hump in this case, somehow it does not look right. And shouldn't there be enough space in the unused bomb bay? Anyway, usually the bomb bay was filled with a tank for conventional, is that modelled in game or not? Fair enough, but people knew that back then. And with the greater conventional load it was at least better than the F-104. Thinking "multi-role" in the later 50ies is actually "dual role": nuclear strike and intercept. This is what Germany and the other NATO-nations following Germany's lead in aircraft aquisition wanted; the good old days before Flexible Response. And in this the F-105 was seen as a contender. In fact Georg Feuchter, who was an influential theorist of that time in Germany, wanted the F-105 for just this dual purpose. General Kammhuber, commander of the Luftwaffe, and Strauss, Secretary of Defense, largely agreed. Of course, the latter merely wanted to nuke the Soviets in Moscow and needed a plane for that mission, but still... The lower costs and the better intercept capabilities of the Starfighter finally decided the issue against the F-105. Also the Starfighter could be announced as a fighter to the German public, which did not react well to nuclear bombers, so it was politically sensible. But let's just follow the line of Feuchter, and assume Republic added interceptor qualities to the Thud. The F-105 is fast no doubt, so it may even work. Maybe another gunshight with lead computing would have sufficed, but I can imagine Sparrows (although not for W-Germany). Later ICEs in the wake of Flexible response can be discussed as well. PS: Range is an issue, even for Germany with the enemy a few miles away. It was anticipated that most airfields would be destroyed within the first 24h of WWIII. The Luftwaffe then would have had to operate from the Benelux-countries, France, and Denmark or even Norway.

Lol, looks we are going to get a lot new F-105s! What a template can do... :D Of course, in all cases we are dealing with big "what-ifs". Even Germany, easily the richest and most powerful of the countries without its own aircraft production, was not capable of supporting the F-105. It was a huge beast, complicated and demanding to any infrastructure. Buying a plane is one thing, operating another. But nonetheless, it still is great fun. ;)

Hello Forum, I have started working on a German F-105: http://combatace.com/topic/63073-what-if-screenshot-thread/?p=646646 This is a quite real what-if, since the Luftwaffe really considered buying the F-105 for their nuclear fighter bomber wings to supplement the F-104 (fighter wings) and G-91 (conventional bomber wings). The Luftwaffe decided to go for one high-tech plane only, but what if Republic reacted by offering a multi-role F-105? (I recall having read somewhere that this really happened... but I cannot find it atm) How would that look like, is it even possible? I mean it is a huge plane, but it is fast and offers good avionics. I would like to hear your opinions, please.

Sundowner, your 105-template is superb! It is pure joy working with it and you can count on a long line of Luftwaffe and Marineflieger camouflages to come... For now we start with the silver of Jagdbombergeschwader 33:

View File A-4FG Skyhawk in W-German Service The A-4FG Skyhawk in German Service For background history and details see this thread: A-4FG (Marine) This is the basic German Navy version of the A-4F with Superfox engine upgrade, used from 1970 to 1988. It comes with four skins: - Norm 76 camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (historical) - Norm 76 camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 3 “Graf Zeppelin” (historical) - Gull Grey camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (semi-historical for the early German Navy aircraft came with the camos used in their forces) - Arctic camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (fictional) A-4FG (Luftwaffe) This is the basic German Air Force version, identical to the navy version but with slightly different mission profile and different pilot-skin. It comes with one skin: - Norm 72 camouflage for Jagdbombergeschwader 44 (historical) A-4FG ICE (Marine) This is a substantial upgrade for the German Navy intended to provide advanced CAS and fleet defence. As such it is equipped with an APG-66, Amraams and Mavericks. From 1990 on, you also have access to KH-25L LGR. It comes with four skins: - Norm 87 camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 1(historical) - Norm 90J camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 3 “Graf Zeppelin” (historical) - United Nations White for Marinefliegergeschwader 1(semi-historical) - Desert Camouflage for Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (fictional) Requires: - Merged Install SF2 E+I+V. How to install: - Drop the folders into your objects-folder Credits: - Wrench for his template used to create the skins - Dtmdragon for his help with the .ini-files - Ravenclaw for bits and bytes from his F-4F skins - Soulfreak for his decals - The GMG for various weapons and pilots included in this package by PraetorH Dec 2013 Submitter PraetorH Submitted 12/07/2013 Category What If Hangar

Uploaded, awaiting approval. It is more of a beta, though. I hope everything works.

Ich werde morgen das Skyhawk-Paket hochladen, auch wenn nicht 100% alles so geklappt hat, wie ich möchte. Dafür mache ich mich mit Höchstgeschwindigkeit an die 105. Sundowners Template ist absolute Sahne!!! Es ist die reinste Freude, damit zu arbeiten. Da werden im Screenshot-Thread demnächst auch ein paar Sachen von mir zu sehen sein, erst mal die Silbermaschinen, später dann die mit Tarnungen.