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Thanks for the info VonS. Sky High, Thanks for the suggestion. I don't suppose they were ever done on disc were they? At my download speeds they'd take absolutely yonks to get.

Thanks for the quick reply, VonS. Do I take it that any info about such things that applies to FE2 also applies to FE? I only have vanilla FE, I've tried tofind copies of FE Gold and FE2 but no luck yet. It does seem odd that the other planes in my flight don't auto attack/bomb ground targets when the mission is to bomb ground targets. I can understand it if I was bombing stuff that ain't the official target, the game (and thus the pilots) wouldn't know what the ruddy blink I was doing.

Thanks for the new info VonS. I don't think I could cope with even harder fm's than the present hard fm's. Surely with air traffic on "Heavy" there should be at least a couple of enemy planes during single missions, even if I don't get to fight them? I've been using the single missions to try out a couple of things, mainly learning how to bomb things. What I don't get is even though the game is now pointing out the enemy warehouse (which took me a long time to realise wasn't on the airfield, as for some reason I wasn't getting the target indication, so I had to guess), and I'm bombing it, no other planes in my flight are doing so even though they all have bombs in the Loadout screen. How do I get them to bomb the warehouse? I can hit the ruddy thing 2 or 3 times in a mission, but they all just fly about.

I've not voted as I only have two (OFF3+HITR+OFFice and FE), and I'm playing both of them at present, but both have things I don't like about them. Dislikes: OFF3+HITR: Takes a while to load and I'm dying every 2 minutes even on "Medium", and the inflight map is abysmal. The lighting seems rather dark, on 2 missions I was practically flying blind. OFF3+HITR+OFFice: Takes just as long to load but having to faff about in OFFice first, with all the "Encounters" (though they can be avoided) and then pressing "Play" which then lauches OFF3, flying once and then quitting and re-starting OFFice and reporting to the adjutant etc. It's beginning to get on my nerves. No "Mouse Look". FE: Only 3 flyable planes and limited to a short time for campaigns. For me, very hard to mod (only 2 braincells, you see). No "zoom to next waypoint/action point" option. No "Top Hat look". Likes: OFF3+HITR: More flyable planes than FE. Far, Far, Far easier to mod than FE. "Zoom to next waypoint/action point" option. OFF3+HITR+OFFice: At the minute I can't really think of anything "Extra" that I think is good, though the SE5A now has the "tube thing" for the pilot to aim through whereas it was previously just a cross in a circle. FE: Launches pretty quick. The Lighting seems to be better than OFF3, I ain't dying every 2 minutes.

Thanks for the reply and the info VonS. I've patched the game with the last patch/update. It's a nice touch that we can see the bulllet cases from the SE5A's Lewis gun being ejected. There do seem to be less indication of planes and objects on the flight map though, and there do seem to be fewer enemy planes about- I can spend quite a while attacking the flak guns over German airfields and no German planes show up. So I need to Download all the planes mentioned in th Armchair Aces Redux readme and they all come with peter01's FM's but His and yours should be flown on "Hard". Got it. Hmm, does that mean I can't fly Armchair Aces redux on "Medium"? Do your FM's make flying the planes a bit harder than the "Hard" setting, due to better accuracy?

Thanks for the repy and info, VonS. The patches I want are for the first FE, but one patch is called "FE Patch 2" in the mods list. For some reason I didn't notice that in Brackets it has "v 02.19.07" after that If I've understood you correctly the "Patches" are different from the "Updates", so I don't need "FE Patch 2 (v02.19.07)", I just need the apr2008 patch (as it's called in the Patches List, although after download it calls itself FE_apr2008_Update), then apply both oct. and nov 2008 Updates? Also, if I want to use any Armchair Aces thing I have to download each individual plane and your FM pack (as it would mean less downloading of undividual flight models) and install them separately? While I would like one of the WOFF games my pc has XP and I can't really afford to buy win7 and possibly get a new cpu and graphic card (I have a core2duo E8500 and nVidia GT640 1gb-which is a half-height low energy thing which works well for what I need).

Thanks foir the reply, VonS. I was trying to do what you said, but I must be doing something wrong.

Thanks for the reply rwatson. I'm mainly looking to add pacthes/updates to and expand First Eagles (1) as I'd like to add more years, more planes and more missions/campaigns. I'd also like to add better in flight maps to Over Flanders Fields Between heaven and Hell (with Hat In The Ring), as at present they are poop. I'd always been under the impression that OFF3 had more Years in it but I can only get to 1917 and 1918.

Hello all, I was wondering if there's a place here with simple instructions on how to install mods, bearing in mind I only have two braincells? I have played heavliy modded games in the past (Fallout 3 and System Shock 2) but they were easy to mod and Fallout3 had a mod enabler thingy. Does Armchair Aces Redux 1.5 contain all of the planes and other stuff from the individual Armchair Aces mods? I read the Readme but it says "Well You'll need all these planes plus the peter01 FMs for them..." Which makes me think not. EDIT: I've just found "FE patch 2", "FE_Apr 2008_Update", "FE_Update_Oct2008b" and "FE_Update_Nov2008". I see in the blurb for FE_APR2008_Update it says "Earlier patches do not need to be applied.." . I take it that means I don't need FE Patch 2? Are the "Updates" the same as "Patches" and if I have FE Update Nov2008 I don't need any earlier patches or updates? Any help would be much appreciated.

Ooops, I forgot that any "OFF" and any WOFF" are different games! I previously found FE a bit too easy, as I was getting 4 or 5 kills each time, but now I've found some of the difficulty settings and while I'm not yet good enough to work with the "Hard" flight model I am using the the guns on "Hard" which means I'm getitng far fewer kills so it's more of a challenge. Another challenge is getting the mods to work. I'm probably not installing them correctly as when I have them "installed" the game quits to the desktop. I don't suppose there's an "easy mod installer" thing for FE?

Oh, yes. I'm aware of that, Geezer. I just hope that, IF I can manage to install them their aim ain't too good. I get the impression from trying to install other bits and pieces, such as Armchair Aces Redux 5.1", that I'm doing something wrong as any option to choose a faction doesn't appear and the game quites to desktop when I try launch it for a single mission. I can play the game after re-installing and not adding anything though. I thought that by unzipping any mod and then opening the main folder and then saving the inner folders to the main folders of the same name that contained the smaller folders, the game would be able to see them and use them as if they'd always been there, eg "Ground objects" in the mod would go in the "Ground objects" of the game installation and "Ta Daa!". That idea seems to be wrong. Or something.

Isn't OFF/BH&H completely different from WOFF? If so, shouldn't OFF install in a different folder even if it's on the same drive as WOFF? I'm only guessing though.

Sorry, I'd completely forgotten that any "OFF" is different from any "WOFF"!

I'm still here, sort of. I haven't been on for a few years, but now that I've got a joystick (a Saitek Evo, though it turns out that even though it's visually identical to the force-feedback saitek evo joystick I had some years ago, it ain't FF), I've started playing "Over Flanders Fields Between Heavn and Hell". I've no idea if that's Original OFF, OFF 2, OFF3 or WOFF or if OFF3 is WOFF, all I do know is that I've got "OFF BHaH". I've also got the "Hat in the Ring" expansion pack and OFFice, both on discs, supplied by a member of (I think) another forum. I'm not even sure I've installed "OFFice" correctly, as I've not seen any screencaps of it, and I'm not sure what it's supposed to do anyway.

Thanks Geezer, I've just D/l'd this now, as if I don't already have enough trouble surviving. Anyway, I hope it's easy to install as I only have 3 braincells.

Thanks for the info don246. Sorry for the late reply, but I've only just got a Saitek Evo Joystick - four years after posting my previous post. Unfortunately I didn't know they made two visually identical but different versions of it, and I've ended up with a no force-feedback one, for now. Anyway, I'm not sure I'll bother with ROF as I don't like paying for extras bits for a game, as far as I'm concerned it should all be on the disc, and I only play offline. I recently played FE and have WOFF/OFF3 installed. I found FE to be rather limiting with only 3 flyable planes but it was easy to use. WOFF is is much bigger, but more complicated and not quite as intuitive to set up. I was surprised to find that FE's SE5A cockpit seems a tad more realistic than the one in WOFF, eg. FE's has the "tube" gunsight thing, whereas WOFF's only has a crude cross in a circle. I'll be looking to to D/L more planes etc. for FE.

Of course, you're all ignoring the real, official, pronunciation of "Wipers".

Hello All, a bit of a long shot this, but I'd like to buy a cd with the 'Hat In The Ring' expansion for 'Over Flanders Fields'. I don't think it was ever sold on a disc by the company, but I'm hoping someone, somewhere, had the bright idea of whacking it on a disc in case their hard-drive failed so that they wouldn't have to faff about downloading it again. I'd consider about £10 inc postage, payable by paypal.

Don't worry about it. I'm in the middle of buying it from Polovski from SimHQ. Yay!

Dutch_P47M, your suggetsion worked. Thanks. zuza, PM sent.

Thanks for the suggestion Dutch_p47M. I may just do that. I've not checked my 'Want To Buy' thread over there yet, so your suggestion may be my best bet.

Hello zuza. Hmm, I'm not sure if the 2 of us would be enough to make any difference. I'm not even sure if they support OFF3 any more, and if not, I'd be a little surprised if they bothered with HITR ever again, even if we offered to pay them. I'm afraid our only hope is if someone's got it on a disc which they'd be prepared to copy to another disc for us. I think I'd consider about £10 inc. postage, payable by paypal. We'll just have to cross our fingers, eh? Regards.

I was going to start a thread about this myself. I've just got a copy of OFF3 and found the OFFice mod, and from what I've read, it seems to be a very good idea. So if anyone can help, it would be much appreciated. I would actually prefer it if someone could whack it on a disc. I would be prepared to pay for it via paypal. I've just bought OFF3 using this method, from 'dutch' on the SimHQ forum, so it can work out.

I too, hope that First Eagles continues to be supported. I've been wanting some First war flight games/sims for years, and only recently found this, FE2 ond OFF3. I prolly won't bother with FE2 as the faffing about involved in getting weather changes in it, is a bit much for my feeble brain/patience. I don't think I'll bother with Rise of flight,as you've got to buy hundreds of 'extras' for the game, even after actually buying the game.

Please include me.