Falling in love with the F-8 Crusader...

[Shin_kazama 1]

boy, i wish we had those cruddies.

 

replace those 4 sissy g-jamming guns with two vulcans, plus at least 600 rounds, no one would even dare fight them.

 

 

i fly the f-8 even as far as 1998,

in woe,

 

and i took out 2 mig 29s, and a flanker.

pretty nice eh?

 

 

all within 144 rounds in four guns

[Rambler 1-1 9]

boy, i wish we had those cruddies.

 

replace those 4 sissy g-jamming guns with two vulcans, plus at least 600 rounds, no one would even dare fight them.

 

 

i fly the f-8 even as far as 1998,

in woe,

 

and i took out 2 mig 29s, and a flanker.

pretty nice eh?

 

 

all within 144 rounds in four guns

 

Very nice!

 

I thought I was doing well when I got 5 '21s with the 144 bullets, but flankers and '29s?

[charlielima 328]

Keeping the Crud alive. :ph34r: CL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shin_kazama 1]

Very nice!

 

I thought I was doing well when I got 5 '21s with the 144 bullets, but flankers and '29s?

 

 

yeah, when i get flying again, i'll post a picture of me killing a flanker.

 

that's ai ing hard mode.

 

i always remember the DOGFIGHTS about a israeli mmirage with a mig 19 at his six.

 

that popular IaF move:let him pass maneuver.

 

 

i used that on a mig behind me and got a potshot.

 

he did not burn, but he lost his wing, and fell.

 

as for the flanker, he was tha last kill.

 

i dumped all my ammo on him.

 

the other mig, i went in really close to his ass, and fired 3 aiml-9 Ls at his tailpipe.

 

aim-9L is better than aim-9n/m.

 

out of the three aim-9l, one fed to the flares, the 2 hit him.

[+Gocad 26]

aim-9L is better than aim-9n/m.

 

I doubt that.

 

You know, the letters don't tell you anything about the development phases of the Sidewinder, so while the Aim-9L maybe better than N version (which is in fact a variant of the 9J), it is hard to believe that it is better than it's successor, the 9M.

 

And while I do like the Crusader, I do doubt that it is capable of surviving an encounter with Fulcrums and Flankers unless the pilots of the F-birds are on drugs and act like retards.

Edited November 11, 2007 by Gocad

[Rambler 1-1 9]

And while I do like the Crusader, I do doubt that it is capable of surviving an encounter with Fulcrums and Flankers unless the pilots of the F-birds are on drugs and act like retards.

 

Hey, I just finished off a couple of '29s with my trusty crusader. I kinda cheated though... I got into the vertical with the first one and put out some flap, then hammerheaded over the top and lodged 2/3 of my ammo into his starboard wing root and engine (he stalled just as he got lined up for a shot behind me, that poor bugger). The second one overshot and popped in to burner at about 120 knots, a mile or so away. Winder fodder. I had AI on hard, too.

 

It just goes to show that it's the pilot, not the plane :yes:

 

Also, "on drugs and act like retards"? isn't that what flanker fliers do? (*runs away*)

[Sky Captain 0]

Also, "on drugs and act like retards"? isn't that what flanker fliers do? (*runs away*)

That's what I've always thought.

Edited November 13, 2007 by Sky Captain

[Viggen 644]

Also, "on drugs and act like retards"? isn't that what flanker fliers do? (*runs away*)

 

They aren't all that good. Uber AI mod or not. I mean one flanker becam AIM-9B meat! And another became a Starfighter Suicide Snack But killing them in Crusaders is the best.

[Shin_kazama 1]

Hey, I just finished off a couple of '29s with my trusty crusader. I kinda cheated though... I got into the vertical with the first one and put out some flap, then hammerheaded over the top and lodged 2/3 of my ammo into his starboard wing root and engine (he stalled just as he got lined up for a shot behind me, that poor bugger). The second one overshot and popped in to burner at about 120 knots, a mile or so away. Winder fodder. I had AI on hard, too.

 

It just goes to show that it's the pilot, not the plane :yes:

 

Also, "on drugs and act like retards"? isn't that what flanker fliers do? (*runs away*)

 

2/3 of you ammo?

 

i had this 29 trying to snuff out my wingie, i kinda sneaked on him, and got out a burst.

 

perfect ZERO-ZERO angle.

 

kabloom.

 

all flames.

 

i almost hit my wingie.

 

he didnt even say thanks.

[Rambler 1-1 9]

2/3 of you ammo?

 

Spray and pray, man. Spray and pray.

It was a good oppritnity, and I wasn't gonna let that bugger dodge my usual burst of 20.

 

and yes, I usually take out Migs with one or two carefully aimed rounds, especially when they're on my wingie's six, but it's stll fun to blow them apart.

[Viggen 644]

Crusaders have killed me time and time again . Here is the most recent/.

 

So there I was escorting my comrades in Tu-16s. My flight or MiG-17Fs were below and to the right. I look out to see 12 F-8Es comming in to stop us. They flew at both formations, taking out Zebra 3 and damaging a Tu-16. The Imperialists came out and I had my wing man engage with me as Zebra 4 chased after a straggler. One Crusader got behing my comrade and I got on his tail. A Crusader got on my tail as we increased altitude. Zebra 2 flew into the flight of Tu-16s. The F-8 in my sights fired, taking out Zebra 12 and a Tu-16. He banked a high right and began to climb. The F-8 behind me fired his AIM-9 and guns blasting me out of the sky. Captain Ace Pilot was wounded and hospitalized at the hands of an F-8 Crusader.

[+Dave 2,322]

And while I do like the Crusader, I do doubt that it is capable of surviving an encounter with Fulcrums and Flankers unless the pilots of the F-birds are on drugs and act like retards.

 

Dude maybe in the BVR situation yes. But time and time again, better pilot wins. Chuck Yeager proved that. Andy Bush Lt Col USAF Ret, at Simhq beat a F-15A in his F-104G when he was on active duty....so I think if you loaded the Sader up with M's or X's vs a Mig with Archer C's, and the Sader pilots was better, the Fulcrum is toast.

[column5 63]

I read somewhere, maybe in one of Steve Ginter's books, about how the author was given a ride in the backseat of an F-4 flown by a Vietnam MiG-killer, and they engaged in some ACM with a pair of F-8s. The expert F-4 pilot was able to fight off both F-8s, through several engagements. Its all about the pilot.

[DWCAce 19]

I wonder if that pilot was Joe 'Hoser' Satrapa? He is an F-4/8/14 (and now S-2 firebomber) legend.

[column5 63]

I wonder if that pilot was Joe 'Hoser' Satrapa? He is an F-4/8/14 (and now S-2 firebomber) legend.

 

I'll try to find the book.

[jomni 6]

Reviving this old post.

 

I'm starting my first ever Crusader campaign in SF2V.

Shot down 4 MiG-17s and it was strike missions. :D

I actually took down 1 in a dog fight. Used up all my 4 Sidewinders on that bugger and only one hit. I luckily spotted a flight of 4 in landing formation on the way back. Took out 3 using guns. Gotta love those guns.

 

BTW, What's the corner velocity of the F-8?

[ShrikeHawk 384]

What's not to love about the last gunfighter? When I got WoE, the FIRST plane I added was the F-8.

[MiG Master 2]

Hmm... this thread is relevant to my interests...

 

I fell in love with the Crusader when I bought an issue of Combat Aircraft magazine that covered the F-8's retirement from the French Navy. The cat officer was signaling with a sabre, so I knew it was a special plane. I was especially impressed with the article's illustrious list of aircraft the F-8 has downed in mock dogfights, including the F-4, F-5, Mirage III, Mirage F1, and F-14 (!).

 

I'm in the middle of the late 50's/early 60's Merc desert campaign in an SF2/V/E merged install (the one that starts you off with the Hun). I bought a Thud first since I'm a lousy mud-mover and the Hun doesn't carry many bombs, but once the F-8E became available I bought it right away. It's all I fly now in the campaign, since it has a useful payload and good range even though it can't carry drop tanks. The Hun flies well but has too small a payload/fuel load for me while the Thud turns like a truck until you've used up your A2G ordinance.

 

My proudest moment was during a CAS mission where I bombed two tanks; shot down an attacking Hunter with a 'winder; plinked another tank; bagged another Hunter (AIM-9), a MiG-17 (guns), and two MiG-21s (one AIM-9, one guns)... and still had enough fuel to get home. I know the real Crusader had some evil handling tendacies and high accident rates, but I'm still very impressed with it.

[jomni 6]

My country of origin was one of the proud users of the F-8

[column5 63]

If it had not been for the F-8, Vought would have gone out of business as a result of the failures of the F6U and F7U. Fortunately they hit a home run!

[+streakeagle 871]

Instead, they went out of business during/after the A-7...

Chance Vought became LTV... where are they now?

 

I have hated watching all the aircraft companies merge/go out of business.

North American's last efforts under that name were the X-15, B-70 and F-108... then nothing more unless you count the Rockwell B-1 and space shuttle... and both of those date back to the 70s.

I don't know of any aircraft by Chance Vought after the A-7.

Northrop was an amazing company that always got snubbed with the F-18 pretty much being their F-17 stolen by McDonnell-Douglas, the F-20 being ignored, and the B-2 line shut down before a useful number of planes could be built.

The General Dynamics F-16 is now the Lockheed F-16? How could you make the most successful fighter jet since the F-4 (in terms of customers and production numbers) and still be sold off to the competition?

The McDonnell and Douglas merger wasn't too bad: both names stayed and both lines of designers continued to function... but now its Boeing? The DC-9 is now the Boeing 717?

McDonnell-Douglas was making the F-15, F/A-18, and AV-8B: almost every tactical aircraft used by every service minus the F-14, F-16, and A-10... and still went out of business.

 

I feel like I have been watching the death of the American aerospace industry.

From WW2 to the early 1970s, American aircraft design and development was simply amazing, especially in the 1950s when we went from the F-86 and FH-1 to the F-4 and F-104 with what seemed like dozens and dozens of aircraft variants in both the USAF and USN.

Edited June 19, 2009 by streakeagle

[bwild 5]

Instead, they went out of business during/after the A-7...

Chance Vought became LTV... where are they now?

 

snip..

 

AFAIK part of LTV is now Lockheed-Martin missiles and the other part is in Northrop-Grumman.