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ArturR Newbie

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What about MiG-23ms version? This MiG have old avionics and weapon systems from MiG-21. Have this version radar display or all cockpit adapted from 21'???

For the fuel tank -I found in latest weaponspack 800litres tank but is little too big, its called "tank800_mig21.lod"

 

 

ps. Sorry for poor english :blush2:

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What about MiG-23ms version? This MiG have old avionics and weapon systems from MiG-21. Have this version radar display or all cockpit adapted from 21'???

For the fuel tank -I found in latest weaponspack 800litres tank but is little too big, its called "tank800_mig21.lod"

ps. Sorry for poor english :blush2:

I know nothing about MS cocpit. But it is not problem use Mig-21MF cocpit for MS version, of course. And MS is in download section.

 

FT: I saw your screenshot 800L fueltank. There is not similar model (closer to real) in weaponpack?

 

EDIT: I tried Mig-23MS from download section this version use Mig-21MF pit :yes:

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Silverbolt Newbie

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I know nothing about MS cocpit. But it is not problem use Mig-21MF cocpit for MS version, of course. And MS is in download section.

 

FT: I saw your screenshot 800L fueltank. There is not similar model (closer to real) in weaponpack?

 

EDIT: I tried Mig-23MS from download section this version use Mig-21MF pit :yes:

 

me too, they are very similar, the 23MF and 21MF cockpit

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FS2004 MiG-23MF Cockpit mig_panel.jpg

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Silverbolt Newbie

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well...

that is NOT a MiG-23MF pit ....

 

wtf?

the google is the only mistake !XDD

 

 

EDIT:not guilty, Mistake

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I wonder how one gets over there to see them...we're going be in Vegas over the Thanksgiving holiday. I always try to get to Nellis to see the Thunderbirds facility...always something cool going on. Tours on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Plus that superb Ferris mural in the conference room

 

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nele Newbie

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ME/MS has classic display, and radar is basically like on late MiG-21 series (Sapphire-21).

 

M/MF have Sapphire-23D and classic display (with classic, reflector sight).

 

ML/MLD/MLA... have HUD-only display, but that is rather the reflected classic display onto HUD, with relative and not true "on target" positioning.

 

Dunno about IR modes, I had some problems reading Russian forums from my wireless GSM card. I will type the search in cyrilic, so I shall see what will come out ;)

kukulino Newbie

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ME/MS has classic display, and radar is basically like on late MiG-21 series (Sapphire-21).

 

M/MF have Sapphire-23D and classic display (with classic, reflector sight).

 

ML/MLD/MLA... have HUD-only display, but that is rather the reflected classic display onto HUD, with relative and not true "on target" positioning.

 

Dunno about IR modes, I had some problems reading Russian forums from my wireless GSM card. I will type the search in cyrilic, so I shall see what will come out ;)

Hi nele! Thanx for interest. We need Flogger expert :yes: :biggrin:

This means:

1. ME/MS has classic display, and radar is basically like on late MiG-21 series (Sapphire-21) ----- we can enjoy Mig-21MF pit

 

2. M/MF have Sapphire-23D and classic display (with classic, reflector sight) ----- we can enjoy Mig-21MF pit with MiG-23MF_AVIONICS and radar screen (comes with aircraft pack)

 

3. ML/MLD/MLA... have HUD-only display, but that is rather the reflected classic display onto HUD, with relative and not true "on target" positioning ---- but I am not sure what this means. My english is not adequate. (Su-17 pit with...) Or we can wait for Amokfloos new Mig-21UM (UM is without radar display, but I do not know, which pit is Amokfloo using)

 

It is very recomended to use your Flogger series FMs, of course.

 

Am I right with firs two cocpit notes?

 

Mig-21UM photos (From Military museum Piešťany)

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Gepard Enthusiast

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I tried to implement a HUD on Magos MiG-21MF cockpit for my MiG-23MK carrierborne Fighter. I copied all lines from A-10 cockpit into the cockpit files, but i had no success. I had seen never a little bit of HUD markings.

Fubar512 Newbie

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I tried to implement a HUD on Magos MiG-21MF cockpit for my MiG-23MK carrierborne Fighter. I copied all lines from A-10 cockpit into the cockpit files, but i had no success. I had seen never a little bit of HUD markings.

 

Did you edit the "Avionics60.dll" statement in the MiG-23MK.ini so it reads "Avionics70.dll", instead?

Wrench Enthusiast

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That's what I had to do for the ASA-M Starfighter...switch up to the later avioncs dll. After that, it worked great!

 

Think I did that on one of the late-Fishbed Skyhawk pit mods too; have to look around and see if I can find it, buried amongst all the crap and clutter...(wait, didn't Gerald14 do this in his bis Pak??)

 

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ArturR Newbie

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2. M/MF have Sapphire-23D and classic display (with classic, reflector sight) ----- we can enjoy Mig-21MF pit with MiG-23MF_AVIONICS and radar screen (comes with aircraft pack)

 

MiG-23 M/MF does'nt have classic radar display, all information about targeting was displayed on hud! Well its not real hud, there is no information about our speed, high, angle etc...

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Paladrian Newbie

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Does anyone know of photos of MiG-23M cockpit?? I have photos of these versions: MS, MF, ML, MLD & BN, but have never seen anything of the M version :search:

Brain32 Newbie

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Cockpit of that MiG-23 is the same as on the MiG-21MF :smile:

 

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Also something is strange about that, on that page it says MiG-23S Flogger-B

MiG-23S acorrding to wikipedia really had same radar and avionics system as MiG-21MF/bis, but MiG23S was "Flogger-A" while "M" and "MF" were Flogger-B

MiG-23M which was the first pmass produced version had an updated radar and other avionics, so it must had been different than the "S" :dntknw:

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kukulino Newbie

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Cockpit of that MiG-23 is the same as on the MiG-21MF :smile:

Looks like Mig-21MF cocpit and this is goood!!! :biggrin:

THANX Paladrian for question.

THANX Fubar for link.

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

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kukulino Newbie

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Kukulino I found this Czeh forum but I don't know what they are saying except that it's about MiG-23(and general aviation it seems): http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/22203

There are general info about Mig-23M version. M is first usefull fighter version. It is based on S version. Engine is better Tumanskij R-29-300. Engine section, tail section and air brakes are reconstructed. On wings are characteristic "dog teeth".

This version is equiped with new radar Sapfir S-23 (70km range in search mode, with partial lookdown/shootdown capacity). M version can load R-23R and T missiles, and R-3S and R-13M missiles too. M version can load B8M RP with S-8 rockets.

 

Mig-23M served in SSSR squadrons only, export version -- Mig-23MS

 

These info (from your link) you can find everywhere on internet in general (in english) :yes:

 

 

forum.valka.cz is my little knowledge base for Mig versions. You can find detailed info about migs (which served in ČSSR) corected by pilots and machanics (knowable ser nums for Mig-21F/PF/PFM/R/MA/MF served in Czechoslovak AF, for example). But it is in czech language, of course.

 

AND I am using your VietnamSEA Tile Repaint v1.0 and it is VEERYYY GOOOD mod. My feelings in cocpits in WOV are much better :clapping::biggrin::good:

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nele Newbie

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To Kukulino- with "on target" I meant that the HUD symbol overlaps true aircraft. MiG-23ML has only a projection of (removed) radar display onto HUD in BVR mode.

 

M ad MF are very similar, mainly different IFF.

 

Artur-M/MF/MS/ME all have "classical" cockpits, with CRT tubes only the radar is different (and engine in some ME/MS). That is, similar to MiG-21BIS.

 

It is easy to mistake reflector-sight with servoed display for a HUD.

 

I have a short video of firing Gsh-23 from "M" with classical sight clearly visible. I have instructions for the twin-seater displaying the same thing (same sight).

 

ML/MLD/P/MLA have HUD only display. Some modes are similar to those on MiG-29-12A/B, without "Shlem" IR seeker head-slave.

 

Wikipedia has many inaccuracies regarding ex-soviet airplanes. Check http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig23m.html and use some online-translator. That is MiG-23M page at the largest Russian airplane encyclopedia online.

kukulino Newbie

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To Kukulino- with "on target" I meant that the HUD symbol overlaps true aircraft. MiG-23ML has only a projection of (removed) radar display onto HUD in BVR mode.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH nele. I understand now :yes:

 

But we are in the situation that we haven't got created adeguate radar display needed for Mig-23ML HUD, I think. And we are missing pit like Mig-21MF without radar.

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