MigBuster 2,884 Posted May 1, 2008 Well I never http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/ai...er100015681.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindpilotBR 0 Posted May 1, 2008 man, they had power to destroy the world yet... or destroy USA... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAKO69 186 Posted May 1, 2008 (edited) Those planes are huge they may look like a B-1B but it is a lot bigger. Edited May 1, 2008 by MAKO69 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreides 144 Posted May 2, 2008 (edited) And they have a lot more power than the B-1 etc etc. Good for Russia, I for one would love to see 200+ nuclear capable TU-160's. Edited May 2, 2008 by Atreides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted May 2, 2008 What would they need that many nuclear capable bombers for? The US doesn't even have 100. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+pcpilot 181 Posted May 2, 2008 Man! 11,000 mile range...holy moley! Good for Russia??? What good can possibly come from 200 frikken bombers? The world has enough already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreides 144 Posted May 2, 2008 What would they need that many nuclear capable bombers for? The US doesn't even have 100. To one day use Iran and Pakistan as a bombing range Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+lindr2 19 Posted May 2, 2008 SORRI FOR BAD ENGLISH, be cause I'm russian, but Don't fear Tu-160 today we hawe only 17 planes in service, and modification only in project. BUT NEW Tu-22M will be your nightmare!!! ground radar 400 km range and 6 m resolution, kh-35, nuke missiles and bombs, precision weapons etc. 200 - 300 planes will be modified for this standart. RUSSIA IS NOT AGRESSOR BUT WHITOUT POWER, WE WILL BE VICTIM. POWER CREATE FREEDOM !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 2, 2008 SORRI FOR BAD ENGLISH, be cause I'm russian, butDon't fear Tu-160 today we hawe only 17 planes in service, and modification only in project. BUT NEW Tu-22M will be your nightmare!!! ground radar 400 km range and 6 m resolution, kh-35, nuke missiles and bombs, precision weapons etc. 200 - 300 planes will be modified for this standart. RUSSIA IS NOT AGRESSOR BUT WHITOUT POWER, WE WILL BE VICTIM. POWER CREATE FREEDOM !!! Backfire is still a regional plane, not intercontinental. The Blackjack can reach just about anywhere and then launch a package of cruise missiles. The combination of modernized Backfires for regional use and Blackjacks for intercontinental is already a very potent force and one we watch closely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted May 2, 2008 I dunno, I'm with lindr2 on this one. Modernised Tu-22s with comtemprary Russian avionics/weapons systems popping up unannounced or decking targets from standoff ranges would be pretty freakin scary. K, the Tu-160 is a very capable machine, there's a hell of a lot more Tu-22s either in storage or in service. Just a question about these two though, I know the Tu-22M3/4 didn't have an in flight refueling capacity dues to the SALT deals, but have they been equipped since? They're predominantly conventional bombers these days, I don't see why the SALT limitations would apply now. For that matter, what about the Tu-160. I thought I had seen snaps of an in flight probe and drouge system, but I could be wrong... damned cold has me a bit sketched out!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 2, 2008 I dunno, I'm with lindr2 on this one. Modernised Tu-22s with comtemprary Russian avionics/weapons systems popping up unannounced or decking targets from standoff ranges would be pretty freakin scary. K, the Tu-160 is a very capable machine, there's a hell of a lot more Tu-22s either in storage or in service. modernized Tu-22M's as opposed to modernized and new production Tu-160's? also depends on the target. The Backfires are optimized for anti-carrier ops and regional strikes. The Tu-160 is optimized for a very different role. The range is the other key difference. The Blackjack can go where the Backfire can only dream of.... "there's a hell of a lot more Tu-22s either in storage" yea - obsolete ones..... good for AMRAAM's!! refueling is good question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Southern Cross 0 Posted May 2, 2008 I remember a 10 years old video in which the speaker claimed that Russia has many hundred Backfires in service(300-400). That's too much, I think...the real number could near 30-40. Does anyone here have more reliable info? I'm a bit confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+lindr2 19 Posted May 2, 2008 I remember a 10 years old video in which the speaker claimed that Russia has many hundred Backfires in service(300-400). That's too much, I think...the real number could near 30-40. Does anyone here have more reliable info? I'm a bit confused. Tu-22M0 Prototype Tu-22M1 Prototype Tu-22M2 211 planes in years 1974-1984 Tu-22M3 268 planes in years 1983-1993 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 2, 2008 I remember a 10 years old video in which the speaker claimed that Russia has many hundred Backfires in service(300-400). That's too much, I think...the real number could near 30-40. Does anyone here have more reliable info? I'm a bit confused. for current info, not on open sources. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Southern Cross 0 Posted May 4, 2008 The number of Backfires is very high indeed...they're more than a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted May 4, 2008 "there's a hell of a lot more Tu-22s either in storage" yea - obsolete ones..... good for AMRAAM's!! Well... technically that statement's true. :biggrin: If you include the one rusting at the end of runways... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted May 4, 2008 Talk about confusing - Seems the TU-22M Backfire is derived from the TU-22 Blinder - how? more like they threw the TU-22 drawing in the bin (but kept the Red stars) and just built an entirely new jet from scratch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pfunkmusik Posted May 4, 2008 It's amazing what $110/bbl. of oil will do for an economy once on the brink of collapse. pfunk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kct 5 Posted May 4, 2008 Rather, what Putin has been complaining about (something like their customers flying the most advanced versions of aircraft they produce (see: India and Malaysia for the Su-30MKI/MKM) and they are not doing the same...considering that they have less than 10 Su-35es in service at one time, which is lesser even the Su-30MKMs (ours along with the Indian MKIs are considered more like Su-35es) we're operating). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+lindr2 19 Posted May 4, 2008 Rather, what Putin has been complaining about (something like their customers flying the most advanced versions of aircraft they produce (see: India and Malaysia for the Su-30MKI/MKM) and they are not doing the same...considering that they have less than 10 Su-35es in service at one time, which is lesser even the Su-30MKMs (ours along with the Indian MKIs are considered more like Su-35es) we're operating). Su-30 MKK ,MKM, MKI, Su-27SK etc It's ONLY export planes. Not for RUSSIA air Force, be cause letter 'K' in names - "Kommercheskiy" - Commercical. Su-35 is yesterday also, first Su-35 created in 1989-90. WE DON'T NEED THIS PLANES. NOW. Today we work about new su plane V generation, this work will be ended in short time. Su-34 production started, Tu-22M, Tu-95, Tu-160, Su-24M, Su-27, Mig-29 update starting now, MiG-31M with R-37 missiles (280km max range) may be started in service, i think this enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kct 5 Posted May 4, 2008 Speaking of which...any word about the PAK-FA (or any of the 5th generation fighters from Sukhoi)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted May 5, 2008 PAK-FA is still in progress, but when it will have first flight, let alone enter service, is anyone's guess. I was unaware the MiG-31M program was still going, I thought at this point Russia was going to standardize on 29s for short range and 27s for long range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
