Operation Atlanta

[TX3RN0BILL 3]

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-11-10-eu-...ion-off-somalia

[thundercheif 1]

Were not gonna solve this with warships. The core of the problem lies in Somalia. And if someone doesnt sort the s**t out down there the piracy will never stop.

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

I dunno. Rome solved piracy in The Meds with warships. But then, that Empire was no pus.

 

Wooden oars, iron men.

[Silverbolt 104]

Hey, i'm out of dated but... what happens with that Russian Ship loaded with Weapons?

Do the Russia Sunk it already?

[Jeremiah Weed 0]

That article didn't mention their rules of engagement. Are they going to be allowed to kill these scum bags or will they have to go through some ROE designed by some politician that will not be effective and not deter any piracy? The only thing people like that understand is force.

[macelena 1,070]

That article didn't mention their rules of engagement. Are they going to be allowed to kill these scum bags or will they have to go through some ROE designed by some politician that will not be effective and not deter any piracy? The only thing people like that understand is force.

 

 

Truly. The spanish P-3 Orion got a s**t of ROEs, and when they were called by a tanker for help, they couldn´t fire their AGM-65s

because the pirates had not made a shot yet. This was meant to avoid sinking fishermen, but there were FLIR pictures in wich the

pirates appeared clearly wielding the RPGs.

 

Finally, the Orion scared the scummies with smoke grenades, but i don´t think it is working anymore

[TX3RN0BILL 3]

I hope all things naval get a chance to play with all sorts of toys (of the deadly kind) on these pirates... Yarrr!! Dispatch them with fire of cannonade and all other things unpleasant! Would be nice if the US would send in the Iowas to deal with them... Well, I just hope that at the end of this operation the navies will have been able to determine the best, most efficient (deadly) way to take out pirates travelling in small but fast launches... If these were the old days then it'd be a "short drop and a quick stop" for all pirates that'd survive...

[Emp_Palpatine 501]

Good news, there are at least some reactions.

But: - will the number of ships be enough? Most analysts are today saying that with the resurgence of Piracy, we are facing the limits of High-tech but not numerous (at least in EU's Navies) ships and that numbers are part of the solution.

 

-As stated by another: Rules of engagment. I'm afraid, knowing the usual sissiness of European politics that they will be awfully inappropriates.

[+Gocad 26]

No question, the whole op will be nothing more but a passive effort to deter further hijack attempts. As mentioned already, the actual problem is the current state of Somalia...

 

I'm not even sure whether sinking a few of those pirate boats would make any difference here.

[+SkippyBing 8]

So far the pirates haven't killed anyone*, opening fire on them might actually make the situation worse. Additionally as Gocad alluded to, taking out some of the pirates would do very little to resolve the situation and unless anyone has a good idea for sorting out Somalia this is a much more intractable problem than first appears.

 

*One of the captives had a heart attack and another appears to have been hit by a ricochet. The pirates were immediately on the phone to the insurance company to apologise.

[Sakai 2]

I personally feel that an Arleigh Burke blockade with a few of the 12 super carriers we posess would be more appropriate, but it's a start!

[+SkippyBing 8]

I personally feel that an Arleigh Burke blockade with a few of the 12 super carriers we posess would be more appropriate, but it's a start!

 

To be honest a CVN wouldn't be a lot of use against a few men with RPGs in a 20' open top speed boat. You're looking at operating a similar mission as against drug runners in the Caribbean.

Edited November 11, 2008 by SkippyBing

[Sakai 2]

<br />To be honest a CVN wouldn't be a lot of use against a few men with RPGs in a 20' open top speed boat. You're looking at operating a similar mission as against drug runners in the Caribbean.<br />

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True, but the AWACS and elint capabilities would certainly be helpful. As well as the helo support, most of our DDG's are block I, no helo hangers or helo's embarked, just landing pads in the aft.

[+WOLF257 0]

To be honest a CVN wouldn't be a lot of use against a few men with RPGs in a 20' open top speed boat. You're looking at operating a similar mission as against drug runners in the Caribbean.

 

It could be if the CVN was carrying attack helos rather than jets.

I think a Cobra or Apache would be just the thing to clean the clock of said men in thier 20 foot boat.

FFAR's and Hellfires for the larger pirate boats.

Would probably be cheaper to use one of those Marine Amphib. Assault Ships that's basically a converted Escort carrier.

They are already set up to handle helos.

 

Another potential solution would be the old Q-Ship concept, that could prove amusing, at least to the people manning the weapons systems on the Q-Ship.

Might put a damper on the pirates to some extent to not know if their entended target is actually a freighter or if it's something that's going to hand them their ass if they get within range.

 

But unfortunately I agree with the majority, if politicians are envolved it will be a wasted effort.

 

WOLF

[Guest pfunkmusik]

To be honest a CVN wouldn't be a lot of use against a few men with RPGs in a 20' open top speed boat. You're looking at operating a similar mission as against drug runners in the Caribbean.

 

Pure littoral warfare. Use UAVs to target missiles (or carry them). Base them from fast destroyers.

 

pfunk

[DWCAce 19]

I say we do what they did with pirates in the old days... HANG THEM ON SIGHT!

[Jeremiah Weed 0]

So far the pirates haven't killed anyone*, opening fire on them might actually make the situation worse. Additionally as Gocad alluded to, taking out some of the pirates would do very little to resolve the situation and unless anyone has a good idea for sorting out Somalia this is a much more intractable problem than first appears.

 

*One of the captives had a heart attack and another appears to have been hit by a ricochet. The pirates were immediately on the phone to the insurance company to apologise.

 

Perhaps in this incident, I haven't really looked at the details of it, but over the past several years Somalian Pirates and even more so around Indonesia have murdered several merchant sailors.

 

Places like Somalia are hard to "fix." When people are more bound to tribal/ethnic/clan identities than a national identity aid is wasted. You give food to them and it is seized by a warlord to feed his people, and you have rivals now fighting them to gain control of the food. The UN already tried this and failed at it.

[TX3RN0BILL 3]

As long as the problem remained an internal affairs thing within somali borders then the rest of the world has little justification to play a heavy hand in that scenario. But I don't doubt for one second that a very hard-handed lesson will make somali "bad guys" think ten times before committing acts of piracy on civilian merchant ships just passing along, minding their own business. And if they don't get the lesson after no pirate is left alive in a while, then they're welcome to commit suicide that way... Nothing like some on-the-job target practice for the navies and marine forces!

[+Typhoid 231]

that makes Task Force 150 under NATO plus a task force from the EU and the Russian FFG all patroling down there. Might need warship traffic control.......

 

and every nation has a different ROE....

 

we have sufficient forces there on station to clean out those nests of pirates. Whether we (all countries) have the political will remains doubtful.

[+Jug 99]

As long as the problem remained an internal affairs thing within somali borders then the rest of the world has little justification to play a heavy hand in that scenario. But I don't doubt for one second that a very hard-handed lesson will make somali "bad guys" think ten times before committing acts of piracy on civilian merchant ships just passing along, minding their own business. And if they don't get the lesson after no pirate is left alive in a while, then they're welcome to commit suicide that way... Nothing like some on-the-job target practice for the navies and marine forces!

Post a BUFF loaded with LGBs motoring in circles in the area, give the sailors a laser designator, and clear the seas. The BUFF's radar can spot a pirate size boat over an impressively wide expanse of ocean. The pirates usually stop their target, which means they usually stop too. A little radio communicatiion, put a little red dot amidships, and wait for the boom. Bad guys don't know from where or how and gather a quick audience with Allah. Additionally, ships targeted by pirates can start chumming the water to bring in the clean up crew.