+Dave Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27678464/wid=18298287 Finally the courts get one right. Quote
+whiteknight06604 Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 now thats rare these days....a sane ruling from a court. Quote
+DWCAce Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Navy 1, Hippies 0. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for preserving wildlife, but the humpbacks aren't gonna stop an Akula... Quote
Stick Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Its all about the evidence really...and if nothing was found...well its just rock n roll in a whales backyard! Quote
commander Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Yeah, i mean come on its just a couple of pings, if it was that dangerous the submariners (by the way i forgot the nickname for them, please jog my memory) would be dead from the sub rupturing or the vibrations caused. Quote
+JediMaster Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Don't let facts get in the way of a good activist cause! It's how guys convince girls to sleep with them! Quote
Caesar Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Awesome. Just out of a question, don't animals like whales and dolphins use SONAR themselves? Quote
+DWCAce Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Awesome. Just out of a question, don't animals like whales and dolphins use SONAR themselves? This is irrrelevant militaristic data!!! Marine mammals only use NATURAL sonar, not man-made sonar which is completely different! J/K C! Quote
Caesar Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 Well now, hold on for a second, DW, you bring up a good point. If the whales already have natural sonar, then its only a matter of time before they get the bomb. Naturally. We'll have a full-scale crisis on our hands if those jerks keep backing the whales' rights! Or maybe, just maybe, a great new ally in the fight for secure hovercrafts...I must go and prepare an offering of kelp... Quote
+SkippyBing Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 The main problems I've heard of with active SONAR is that it may spook the whales causing them to rapidly surface and suffer a condition similar to the bends. Obviously it's also f***ing annoying having a high pitched squeal go off every few seconds (you can hear these things throughout a ship when it's active even on the upper deck) and I'm fairly sure it's louder than what the whales normally produce. However I'm not aware of any research that indicates the whales suffer any permanent damage from the actual sonar itself. Quote
+Typhoid Posted November 13, 2008 Posted November 13, 2008 The main problems I've heard of with active SONAR is that it may spook the whales causing them to rapidly surface and suffer a condition similar to the bends. Obviously it's also f***ing annoying having a high pitched squeal go off every few seconds (you can hear these things throughout a ship when it's active even on the upper deck) and I'm fairly sure it's louder than what the whales normally produce. However I'm not aware of any research that indicates the whales suffer any permanent damage from the actual sonar itself. "Obviously it's also f***ing annoying having a high pitched squeal go off every few seconds (you can hear these things throughout a ship when it's active even on the upper deck) and I'm fairly sure it's louder than what the whales normally produce. " you've got that right!!!!!! (actually the file doesn't sound anything like it - but what the heck....) now, what the fuss was about is the new, low frequency active sonar with high power out, which is quite a bit different than what we've used in the past. But the key point is your statement; "However I'm not aware of any research that indicates the whales suffer any permanent damage from the actual sonar itself." nothing but speculation and theories without any actual scientific research based on evidence. Of course, the 9th Circus ruled for the environmentalist-whacko-nutfruitcakes, but now the Supreme Court has (finally) got it right. Quote
Ghost029 Posted December 26, 2008 Posted December 26, 2008 Yeah, i mean come on its just a couple of pings, if it was that dangerous the submariners (by the way i forgot the nickname for them, please jog my memory) would be dead from the sub rupturing or the vibrations caused. We're usually called bubbleheads. Quote
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