Senator Kerry And Hanoi Jane

[Chaingun 0]

Chaingun. Our troops (The troops of the Netherlands) are based in South Iraq. And not only with Patriots in Turkey.

They defense the civilians and work as a sort of police.

It is just for the knowing what I say.

 

Salute

Dutchy

Don't doubt what you say at all, and believe me we do appreciate your efforts. I gathered that information from a website that is probably quite old. It is by no means all inclusive and for that I do apologize.

[navychief 1]

No matter how one tries to justify Kerry becoming President, if he gets into the White House we can expect three things for certain:

 

1) Our military will be reduced in strength even more that it presently is.

 

2) Our country's defense will be in jeapordy.

 

And lastly,

 

3) Our taxes will get raised AGAIN to fund more social programs (also known as handouts) to redistribute wealth in this country.

 

 

NC

[zagnut 0]

Just a couple things I want to throw in here;

 

Taxes will be raised, there's no doubt about it. We have a big bad defecit right now.

 

Corperations are shipping most jobs out of country and cutting positions here in the states; it's for real because I was one that was laid off among many thousands.

 

A couple of days ago, CNN and most networks reported a 1% or so increase on jobs in the U.S., and the Department of Labor was wetting themselves in delight. They are mostly contracting jobs for various projects, which are being eaten up by most unions. Those of us not in one or not affiliated are SOL.

 

Guys, the 'old boy club' is at it's pinnacle. Trickle down economics hasn't taken effect because hardly anyone is spending money except for our guvmint which is paying off companies like Haliburton, Bechtel and several others for the reconstruction of Iraq, and they're making off like bandits. I know from experience because I used to work for the Bechtel outfit. My Dad and my fiance` are still with them. The only ones still keeping their jobs are mostly managers. They fire the worker-bees and the Mgrs. do the stuff that the others did because there isn't anything left. Houston office is a ghost town and has been since 1998, Frederick, MD has followed suit since 2001. Most people have taken jobs (hard to find I might add) overseas in Iraq or in other pipeline countries like Turkey. Not that it's all bad, but I do have dear friends in Iraq right now, and they say it's hazardous to one's health (expected, but not like this). Anyone is fair game there aside from our servicepeople, and it's pretty sad to see that is happening to people I know, love, and worked with most of my life. (I grew up in Houston, Dad's an engineer)

 

It's these reasons that have affected my life, that helped me make the decision to re-enlist in the Guard. I know that it's a weekend warrior thing, but EVERYONE is getting the call to go active, and jobs out here in Vegas are like hot, disease-free women that would want to go home with me. That is very few and far in between.

Edited February 20, 2004 by zagnut

[switch 0]

FOR WHAT?

WHAT WAS CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THAT WAR THAT JUSTIFIES THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT DIED OR WERE MAIMED?

 

Don't want to start a fight here either, just expressing the facts and my feelings.

 

No Flame intended,

Foofighter

No, no flame. (at least from me) I try to keep my "pilot light" under control

when it comes to politics. Maybe I`m just numbed out!

 

As far as Bush and Kerry are concerned - I have mixed feelings about both.

Yes, my blood pressure does jump a little whenever somebody brings up

Bush-Chaney dealings and Bush`s "smirk".

 

Generally, I agree with a lot of stuff you said. And Snapple - no deaf ears there

either.

[snapple2993 0]

MMMMMMMGallup Polls.

 

Seems 51% of America is in favor of Monarchy (approval rating), but the Commie and the Kid both lead the King in the polls.

 

 

http://www.gallup.com/content/default.asp?ci=10687 (Polls)

 

 

http://www.gallup.com/content/default.asp?ci=10654 (Approval Rating)

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Hey Everybody,

I'm not anti-American. I am an ex-Republican. I voted for Reagan, Bush Sr. twice and Bob Dole. I am not a registered Democrat either. When the Republicans spent taxpayer's money on the Lewinsky crap at the taxpayers expense when we are in debt up to our asses thats when I questioned where we were headed. Clinton was the first President to get us out of deficit spending although I didn't vote for him.

 

Something happened during that time-frame to the Republican party. They lost their ideals and succumbed to personal greed. All at the expense of the long term interests of the American people.

 

We as a nation can't continue on our current path, we just can't afford it. And, after they're gone where will you and I be?

 

Look at this long term, where will Bush be after he's gone? Extremely wealthy and set for life (he all ready is by the way). If we keep going on this path where will the average American end up? With a bankrupt government, losing SS and Medicare, and also losing our leading position in the world. Do the math, we just can't afford to keep going in the direction that we're going. Something needs to change.

 

Foofighter

[Falcon Six Two 0]

Amen to that brother.

[zagnut 0]

BIG rgr on that one.

[Seawolf 0]

Still voting for Bush. :D

[navychief 1]

A BIG ROGER on that one, Seawolf. Bush will get my vote, definitely.

 

Navy Chief

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As much as I think Bush is a Stooge, I'm voting for him becuase of the people that he surrounds himself with. The alternative is not an option....and now that Nader has entered the race...LOL

 

S!

[snapple2993 0]

If only he listened to Powell, instead of making him an outcast.

[Foofighter 0]

Hey Chief,

What will happen when he spends us into oblivion and you no longer get your "guaranteed" Navy retirement "check" because the govt. can't afford it anymore? Then you try to collect Social Security and guess what? It's been dissolved. No "check" for you there either.

 

I ask you to hold on to this e-mail for 5 years! Listen to it, criticize it, condemn it, but please Chief come back in 5 years after you elect Bush in 2004 and then let me know how you are doing?

 

At the rate our government is going they can't afford to keep those checks coming indefinitely.

 

Foofighter

[Foofighter 0]

First things first, I didn't mention one thing about my fathers medals, just pointing out relavance about Kerry's service in the military. Back when Clinton was in office, Kerry didn't see the relevance of his service in Vietnam and was supposedly dissappointed by the fact that Vietnam (service)being brought forward once again to prove the mettle of the man. (Clinton), and now he wants to throw it back up again to prove himself to somehow be better than everyone else.

 

Kerry had three purple hearts that he himself states he missed a total of 2 days work over. Musta been awfully rough, as far as my father goes, I don't know about his service, I have never been able to get him to talk about it and I don't think I ever will.

 

As far as the multinational force, that's about how it's been since we been working within the UN, if the Military is sent, it's the vast majority is funded and supported by US troops. The numbers game just never add up.

 

 

Nature of support

The criteria for inclusion in the coalition, as defined by the White House, are very broad, including mere political support.

Combat troops

United States - hundreds of thousands of troops, weaponry, money, etc.

Britain - 45,000 troops, aircraft, tanks

Australia - about 2,000 personnel: a squadron of F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets, three ships, 150 special forces troops, and other weaponry. See Australian contribution to the 2003 Gulf War.

Denmark - submarine & warship, and a medical team

Poland - 54 combat troops, 74-member chemical decontamination team, supply ship with 56 sailors; total troops - up to 200; See Polish contribution to the 2003 Gulf War.

Iraqi Kurdish peshmergas militia - 50,000+

Note: While the Government of Canada does not support the invasion of Iraq without United Nations approval, Canada has military personnel serving under the U.S. command in Iraq, provides six hi-tech frigate escorts for U.S. & British ships in the Gulf, and numerous other technical services. U.S. Ambassador to Canada, Paul Cellucci, stated that Canada in fact is providing more support that virtually all other members of the "Coalition of the Willing".

 

 

Military support (no combat troops)

Kuwait - hosts invasion force

Qatar - hosts U.S. Central Command regional headquarters

South Korea - 700 non-combat troops (However, the Parliament vote to provide such troops continues to be postponed)

Japan - refueling Canadian and Greek warships in the Arabian Sea

 

Chemical, biological, and nuclear specialists

Bulgaria - 150 specialists (and airspace use, bases, use of Black Sea port)

Slovakia - 69 anti-chemical warfare specialists in Kuwait

Czech Republic - sent 400 anti-chemical warfare specialists to Kuwait (and airspace use)

Romania (and airspace use)

Spain - 900 non-combat troops for medical support vessel for treatment of contamination

Ukraine - 532-man 19th Army Battalion deployed to Kuwait, but will not enter Iraq

 

Defense

Netherlands - three MIM-104 Patriot missile batteries and 360 soldiers for defense of Turkey

 

Use of bases and airspace

Ethiopia

Eritrea - use of Red Sea port of Assab

Hungary (hosts U.S. base)

Italy (not for direct military attacks)

Portugal - Lajes Field air base in Azores

 

Airspace use

Albania

Azerbaijan

Georgia (possibly airfields)

Lithuania

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia

Turkey (after failed negotiations to permit troop deployment)

 

 

Political support only

Afghanistan

Colombia

Dominican Republic

El Salvador

Honduras

Iceland (has no military)

Japan

Latvia (may deploy some troops)

Marshall Islands

Micronesia (has no military)

Mongolia

Nicaragua

Palau (has no military)

Philippines

Rwanda

Singapore

Uganda

Uzbekistan

 

This is your assessment of the coalition?

[Dutchy 0]

And again I see the wrong list.

Foofighter see page 4 what I mean. Read, what I said to Chaingun.

 

 

Salute

Dutchy

[navychief 1]

Foofighter

 

If Kerry, or any other Democrat for that matter, is elected, he will repeal Bush's tax cuts, and then raise taxes. It is a given.

 

I rebel at the thought of the US Govt. taking more of my income. They already take WAY too much, PERIOD.

 

As far as Social Security is concerned, I am not even counting on receiving any when I am of age to do so. I have made provisions of my own, so I am taking care of myself. I am NOT counting on the govt. to take care of me.

 

As for my voting for Bush? Yes, I will do just that, and proudly.

 

Kerry will reduce our military's strength even more than it already is. Isn't the security of this country important to you?

 

Social Security, and other govt. programs will not seem so important if the terrorists are allowed to penetrate this country and attack us.

 

Such attacks can happen, no matter who the president is; but I feel a lot more secure with Bush in charge.

 

Navy Chief.

[snapple2993 0]

Saddly stealth bombers, and aircraft carriers dont deter suicide bombers... and saddly that seems to be the approach of the Pentagon in dealing with terrorism.

 

Should be pouring money into the CIA and NSA, not uping our conventional arsenal. Is anyone scared of the North Koreans? How bout Iran? I mean as countries, not spawners of terrorists. Do I care if South Korea is taken over... not really, China will deal with the North Koreans if they get outa wack (on that note the Chinese will deal with us if we mess with the North Koreans).

 

Bush's tax cuts were not fiscaly sound after 9-11, shouldn't have cut them so much, and perhaps made provisions for putting most armed servicemen on alert. But instead it just keeps spiralling out of control.

 

The cuts are in a trickle down fashion, and that has never worked. So the cuts dont really affect any of us? What did you all do with your extra 500 bucks this past year? Payed off half a credit card? Come on, the cut was meaningless for anyone that made less than 500 K a year.

 

I know you hate taxes chief, so I ask, would you abolish all taxes? If yes, who would pay for the military? Private donations?

 

I'm for taxes, they give us roads to drive on, schools to teach kids so they may grow up and make money and keep the system going, they fund our armed services. A completely privatized social support structure hasnt been around for centuries... simply becuase the workers got pissed off becuase they werent seeing dick, they were dying from disease and lived in poverty. Hence Unions (they brought you a thing called the weekend, oh and the 8 hour work day). No I dont really support unions now... for F*CKS sake the guy that cleans the cabin after a Delta flight lands makes 30 bucks an hour all because of his union. But they do serve a purpose. Social programs? Those have been dramatically scaled back in recent years, welfare is minimal because of the time restrictions and not many are on it, medicare is for the elderly same as social security. Students dont get dick from the gov (atleast not here) unless they can prove they've been on their own for atleast a year.

 

Screw it, this topic is more or less dead, everybody is repeating themselves over and over (myself included) the lines have been drawn, now shut your pie hole and go vote if you've got something to say.

 

Lastly, I feel as safe today as I did on 9-10-01, and as safe as I did on 9-12-01... nothing has changed, and I was never suprised by the attacks, and will not be suprised by future ones... and no Bush cant save us, neither can Kerry, or Edwards, or any politician. Only time will end this war. It will eventually stall out, we may become more and more violent towards civies like in Vietnam, and the world and our citizens will cry out for an end, and we will eventually have to pull out of that ass hole of the world, and leave them to kill eachother. God willing Russia will nuke Chechnya, and the towel heads will get really pissed at them, and attack them more often, and then a country who has a President with balls and an equally ruthless military (Russia) will invade the ass hole of the world and screw it till it bleeds.

 

Cheers,

Saffell

 

"THINK HAPPY THOUGHTS ;) "

[Falcon Six Two 0]

Ditto.