More AA/SAM cover over the Dhimar/Paran theater?

[+Julhelm]

Does such a mod exist, or how can I go about the easiest way to beef up the air defense on the stock map to where it's actually challenging?

[Wrench]

Somewhere around here, from a million years or so ago, I've got the targets ini tweeked with HAWK sites for Dhimar. Of course, the radars and launchers will need adding to the types ini. THey use the old ones by Pasko, so some editing will be needed for those from the TMF pak.

 

As for Parani SAM sites, more accurate ones would need to be added to the targets ini, in "places of interest". The stock way of just dropping launchers and radars hap-hazardly in the cities and such has always bothered the daylights outta me.

 

Do you need target layouts?? I'll go look for the HAWK locations, and get back to ya

 

wrench

kevin stein

[Wrench]

This is from my Generic Library of Target Layouts. It's a double battery with 12 launchers, but it's easily edited to remove the other 6. Just don't forget to keep the EWR (Target018), and renumber.

 

It uses the Generic Target Designations (SAMLauncher, SAMRadar, AAA) so some odd mixing may occur. I'd reccomend giving it a name like "Parani AD Site #-whatever-, with an ActiveYear=0, so the AAA units will always show, and maybe some tents near the center.

 

[TargetArea***]

Name=

Position=

Radius=1000.0

ActiveYear=

Location=2

Alignment=ENEMY

Target[001].Type=AAA

Target[001].Offset=-292,206

Target[001].Heading=90

Target[002].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[002].Offset=-392.00,381.00

Target[002].Heading=330

Target[002].ActiveYear=1959

Target[003].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[003].Offset=-192.00,381.00

Target[003].Heading=30

Target[003].ActiveYear=1959

Target[004].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[004].Offset=-32.00,140.00

Target[004].Heading=90

Target[004].ActiveYear=1959

Target[005].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[005].Offset=-492.00,206.00

Target[005].Heading=270

Target[005].ActiveYear=1959

Target[006].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[006].Offset=-192.00,31.00

Target[006].Heading=150

Target[006].ActiveYear=1959

Target[007].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[007].Offset=-392.00,31.00

Target[007].Heading=210

Target[008].ActiveYear=1959

Target[008].Type=AAA

Target[008].Offset=0.00,0.00

Target[008].Heading=45

Target[002].ActiveYear=0

Target[009].Type=SAMRadar

Target[009].Offset=50.00,20.00

Target[009].Heading=90

Target[009].ActiveYear=1959

Target[010].Type=AAA

Target[010].Offset=-50.00,20.00

Target[010].Heading=135

Target[010].ActiveYear=0

Target[011].Type=SAMRadar

Target[011].Offset=292,-206

Target[011].Heading=90

Target[011].ActiveYear=1959

Target[012].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[012].Offset=392.00,-381.00

Target[012].Heading=330

Target[012].ActiveYear=1959

Target[013].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[013].Offset=192.00,-381.00

Target[013].Heading=30

Target[013].ActiveYear=1959

Target[014].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[014].Offset=32.00,-140.00

Target[014].Heading=90

Target[014].ActiveYear=1959

Target[015].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[015].Offset=492.00,-206.00

Target[015].Heading=270

Target[015].ActiveYear=1959

Target[016].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[016].Offset=192.00,-31.00

Target[016].Heading=150

Target[016].ActiveYear=1959

Target[017].Type=SAMLauncher

Target[017].Offset=392.00,-31.00

Target[017].Heading=210

Target[017].ActiveYear=1959

Target[018].Type=EWR

Target[018].Offset=60,-60

Target[018].Heading=0

Target[018].ActiveYear=0

 

Of course, you'll still need to locate them on the map (Position=)

 

wrench

kevin stein

Edited November 15, 2009 by Wrench

[+Julhelm]

Guess that means I have to run the dreaded terrain editor. Thanks, though.

[Wrench]

No, not at all. The TE isn't needed or even necessary to add new TargetAreas. You just need the HUDDebug=TRUE turned on in the HUDData.ini, and either fly single missions and hope you get 'near' the region you want to add the Battery, or use one of my "Target Placement Missions", that's posted in the TE thread in the KB. You'll just need to edit the aircraft, map name, date and the general start location. The missions are 'start in the air' type, that put you right over the area in question. (this is a kind of stop-gap, until Swambast finishes the Target Placement tool)

 

basic idea is here:

 

http://forum.combatace.com/topic/44621-adding-objects-to-your-target-areas/

 

wrench

kevin stein

Edited November 15, 2009 by Wrench

[+Piecemeal]

Here you are, bud. I had the same thoughts a good while back and got stuck into the long chore of creating not only SAM sites, but Flak batteries as well for both sides on the map. I decided to make Kurzah, the capital of Paran, something similar to downtown Hanoi; with four SAM sites and twelve Flak batteries scattered within and around the immediate vicinity of the city, so if seeing those big smoke puffs during a strike mission is your thing, then you won't be disappointed. My advice is to try out a strike mission in Kurzah and if your framerate goes a little too low, then delete a couple of the Flak batteries of your choice.

 

Dhimar-Paran SAM & AAA Sites.txt

 

I probably don't have to tell you; but just in case, just copy all the text in the attached file, paste it on to the end of your DESERT_TARGETS.ini file and change the 'TargetArea' numbers to correspond with the rest on that file.

 

Here's hoping you have some good ducking and diving!

[Wrench]

The only problem I see it the Blue side batteries ... since there's only ONE Blue SAM .. the HAWKS. And since HAWKs are networked to their 2 radars, you'll need SPECIFIC target object call outs, and the items added to the Desert_Types.ini.

 

EDIT: you'll probably want to re-write those Red Layouts, unless you want the Libyan flag flying over Paran (which, might NOT be too far from truth .. "advisors" and all. And/or include the AA Gun Pit, as most folks aren't going to have it, as it's a terrain object included in some varying terrains; all the bit will need transfering to the Desert folder, and the _Types.ini edited to add them. Otherwise they'll be blank spots, when the Game Engine ™ 'sees' and object that's not there. It WILL skip over it, and go on to the next item in sequence.

 

A typical HAWK battery would be something like this (taken from Nick Bell's WoE AD Mod, as he worked HAWKs in the USArmy in Europe...)

This layout is from ASW, one of the batteries near Gavelston:

 

[TargetArea027]

Name=Gulf Coast Defense Battery 1

Position=306877,392096

Radius=1000.000

ActiveYear=0

Location=1

Alignment=FRIENDLY

Target[001].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[001].Offset=40.000,90.000

Target[001].Heading=45

Target[002].Type=HAWKL

Target[002].Offset=-10.000,180.000

Target[002].Heading=315

Target[003].Type=HAWKL

Target[003].Offset=80.000,170.000

Target[003].Heading=20

Target[004].Type=HAWKL

Target[004].Offset=140.000,90.000

Target[004].Heading=90

Target[005].Type=HAWK_CWAR

Target[005].Offset=-80.0,20.0

Target[005].Heading=180

Target[006].Type=USTruck

Target[006].Offset=000.00,000.00

Target[006].Heading=90

Target[007].Type=USTruck

Target[007].Offset=000.00,005.00

Target[007].Heading=90

Target[008].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[008].Offset=40,-90

Target[008].Heading=135

Target[009].Type=HAWKL

Target[009].Offset=140,-90

Target[009].Heading=90

Target[010].Type=HAWKL

Target[010].Offset=80,-170

Target[010].Heading=160

Target[011].Type=HAWKL

Target[011].Offset=-10,-180

Target[011].Heading=225

Target[012].Type=AAA

Target[012].Offset=300.0,000.00

Target[012].Heading=90

Target[013].Type=AAA

Target[013].Offset=-300.0,000.00

Target[013].Heading=180

Target[014].Type=AAA

Target[014].Offset=00,300.00

Target[014].Heading=270

Target[015].Type=AAA

Target[015].Offset=00,-300.00

Target[015].Heading=0

Target[016].Type=ALFlag

Target[016].Offset=10,0

Target[016].Heading=90

Target[017].Type=USFlag

Target[017].Offset=0,-10

Target[017].Heading=90

 

You'll also not it uses the OLD designations for the CWAR and HiPAR, NOT the newer ones from TMFs WepPak. Plus the "North American Alliance" flag.

 

Here's a slightly smaller battery:

 

[TargetArea335]

Name=Ramstein HAWK Battery 1

Position=307121.00,338178.00

Radius=700.000

ActiveYear=1959

Location=1

Alignment=FRIENDLY

Target[001].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[001].Offset=50.137,50.891

Target[001].Heading=90

Target[002].Type=HAWKL

Target[002].Offset=-100.203,-100.53

Target[002].Heading=90

Target[003].Type=HAWKL

Target[003].Offset=100.203,100.53

Target[003].Heading=180

Target[004].Type=HAWK_CWAR

Target[004].Offset=000.0,000.0

Target[004].Heading=180

Target[005].Type=USTruck

Target[005].Offset=114.048,79.999

Target[005].Heading=270

Target[006].Type=USTruck

Target[006].Offset=83.976,54.168

Target[006].Heading=0

Target[007].Type=USJeep

Target[007].Offset=30.258,31.365

Target[007].Heading=180

Target[008].Type=USJeep

Target[008].Offset=23.489,4.294

Target[008].Heading=60

Target[009].Type=USTruck

Target[009].Offset=-19.033,-82.257

Target[009].Heading=180

Target[010].Type=USTruck

Target[010].Offset=1.439,-71.008

Target[010].Heading=190

Target[011].Type=AAA

Target[011].Offset=37.366,117.938

Target[011].Heading=0

 

Once they're in place on the map, you can dress it up with a few more AA units, some power carts, etc. Just to make the place look nice.

 

Found the OLLLLDDDD Desert defense sites, think Fubar did these a very long time ago. Probably have to renumber the TargetArea***, and should have 3 launchers per site, but these'll help

 

[TargetArea080]

Name=HAWK Battery Alpha

Position=441441.000,467299.000

Radius=500.000

ActiveYear=1969

Location=1

Alignment=Friendly

Target[001].Type=HAWKL

Target[001].Offset=-100.203,-100.53

Target[001].Heading=0

Target[002].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[002].Offset=50.137,50.891

Target[002].Heading=90

Target[003].Type=HAWK_CWAR

Target[003].Offset=000.0,000.0

Target[003].Heading=90

Target[004].Type=HAWKL

Target[004].Offset=100.203,100.53

Target[004].Heading=180

 

[TargetArea081]

Name=HAWK Battery Bravo

Position=363963.000,460267.000

Radius=500.000

ActiveYear=1969

Location=1

Alignment=Friendly

Target[001].Type=HAWKL

Target[001].Offset=-100.203,-100.53

Target[001].Heading=180

Target[002].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[002].Offset=50.137,50.891

Target[002].Heading=90

Target[003].Type=HAWK_CWAR

Target[003].Offset=000.0,000.0

Target[003].Heading=90

Target[004].Type=HAWKL

Target[004].Offset=100.203,100.53

Target[004].Heading=180

 

[TargetArea082]

Name=HAWK Battery Charlie

Position=257207.000,446202.000

Radius=500.000

ActiveYear=1969

Location=1

Alignment=Friendly

Target[001].Type=HAWKL

Target[001].Offset=-100.203,-100.53

Target[001].Heading=180

Target[002].Type=HAWK_HIPIR

Target[002].Offset=50.137,50.891

Target[002].Heading=90

Target[003].Type=HAWK_CWAR

Target[003].Offset=000.0,000.0

Target[003].Heading=90

Target[004].Type=HAWKL

Target[004].Offset=100.203,100.53

Target[004].Heading=180

 

 

wrench

kevin stein

Edited November 18, 2009 by Wrench

[+Piecemeal]

you'll probably want to re-write those Red Layouts, unless you want the Libyan flag flying over Paran

wrench

kevin stein

 

 

Hi Wrench. If it's the text file I uploaded earlier you're on about, it's really a Parani flag that I created by using the Libyan flag from the Libya Terrain as a model. All I did was change the bmp. I suppose I should have changed the name of it there and then but I had a severe dose of 'Lazyitis' at the time Either ignore the entry or I could upload the flag for all to use

Edited November 19, 2009 by Ultramax

[EricJ]

No, not at all. The TE isn't needed or even necessary to add new TargetAreas. You just need the HUDDebug=TRUE turned on in the HUDData.ini, and either fly single missions and hope you get 'near' the region you want to add the Battery, or use one of my "Target Placement Missions", that's posted in the TE thread in the KB. You'll just need to edit the aircraft, map name, date and the general start location. The missions are 'start in the air' type, that put you right over the area in question. (this is a kind of stop-gap, until Swambast finishes the Target Placement tool)

 

basic idea is here:

 

http://forum.combatace.com/topic/44621-adding-objects-to-your-target-areas/

 

wrench

kevin stein

 

Kreelin's Mission Designer can also get you the coordinates. Now it's not as fine as a tool as flying around but for a SAM site I've found it useful. Now that I finally know the debug command... I can maybe start adding stuff that I couldn't figure out from before.

[Wrench]

but I had a severe dose of 'Lazyitis' at the time

 

Max, I know THAT disease VERY well!!!

I'm doing something similiar on the WW2 Euro map for Berlin, encircling the city with masssive AAA batteries.

 

Eric: does Kreelins give the exact offsets, or just the general coordinates??? (ie: 245,789 vs 201919,345678).

I still find my "placement missions" work really good. I know the WoVSqmd give the full map coordinates, which is good when you've got an already built area to just drop on the spot.

 

wrench

kevin stein

Edited November 19, 2009 by Wrench

[+Julhelm]

Cool, I'm going to try this out with my already difficult custom campaign this weekend.

[malibu43]

I also have a zip file I can upload later on that contains the "more challenging" AAA from the SF2V Expansion Pack that could probably be "drag and dropped" into any SF2X install as a AAA/Mobile SAM upgrade (it also includes SA-9's and SA-13's). This won't require any editing of the terrain, but will make the environment much more dangerous and challenging.

 

I'll see if I can find it later...

[EricJ]

Max, I know THAT disease VERY well!!!

I'm doing something similiar on the WW2 Euro map for Berlin, encircling the city with masssive AAA batteries.

 

Eric: does Kreelins give the exact offsets, or just the general coordinates??? (ie: 245,789 vs 201919,345678).

I still find my "placement missions" work really good. I know the WoVSqmd give the full map coordinates, which is good when you've got an already built area to just drop on the spot.

 

wrench

kevin stein

 

Yeah it's more of a generic placement, as opposed to offsets. So for "pre-done" setups like you posted it's great, but for exact placement I'd use the debug thingamajig... sorry for not being clear..