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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/islamic-movement-leader-in-israel-arrested-in-london-1.370246

 

 

Sorry guys...you can have him back! :good:

 

We don't deport visitors for no good reason, but you can probably take it as read, that he was inciting Racial Hatred in his 'Talk' in Leicester!

 

We don't tolerate that sort of behaviour here...so f*ck off back home!

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And his supporters claim its because of the Jewish Lobby he has been arrested... laugh I fell of my chair at that one... yet the guy is a known preacher of racism towards the Jews...

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I wish we would grow some balls in the US and do the same.

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I just love how he gets stamped as an "Islamic" troublemaker and not just troublemaker or racist. Way to go on creating even more tension and hate towards Muslims that have nothing to do with this.

I wonder though. Had it been a Christian troublemaker would you and the news have written "Christian troublemaker gets deported" Somehow i doubt that.

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X8 has a good point. Its things like this that further fuel tension.

 

 

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Then again, if the sheik went to London to preach goodwill and harmony among all peoples, he'd be an "Islamic Peacemaker." That's a nice label to have isn't it? I doubt the alleged "Jewish Lobby" would have him ousted for that.

 

So, sure the label, "Islamic Troublemaker" doesn't help anything, but is that as bad as the Sheik suggesting militarism to his congregation? People promoting hostility and anger have to be dealt with swiftly. We've had enough of people killing in the name of religion. Sh*tdisturbers like the sheik (and our own Christian ones over here) need be muzzled and made to "take a timeout."

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Then again, if the sheik went to London to preach goodwill and harmony among all peoples, he'd be an "Islamic Peacemaker." That's a nice label to have isn't it? I doubt the alleged "Jewish Lobby" would have him ousted for that.

 

So, sure the label, "Islamic Troublemaker" doesn't help anything, but is that as bad as the Sheik suggesting militarism to his congregation? People promoting hostility and anger have to be dealt with swiftly. We've had enough of people killing in the name of religion. Sh*tdisturbers like the sheik (and our own Christian ones over here) need be muzzled and made to "take a timeout."

 

Why not just call him Sheik the Peacekeeper. It is the newspaper that bring in the religion. Religion is not a stamp. And the more you make it a stamp the more people treat it like that. Nothing good can come of it. Just look at WW2. When Jew was a stamp and only bad things were associated with them because of Nazi propaganda. "Jews destroyed the german economy, we are poor because of the jew" How is this any different?

 

You view the sheik as a Muslim. Why not view him as a man with power. Because that is what he is, a man with power and an agenda. Using religion to make his agenda come true.

So yes it is as bad because it does not portray one man it portrays a whole religion as troublemakers. Well that's how the common man views it. "Oh those muslims" people say. They dont say "oh that specific muslim troublemaker".

Yes deal with the person, and the stupid idea but leave religion out of it. Militarism has nothing to do with Islam or any religion for that matter.

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Oh c'mon... This guy is the head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, a movement that promotes Islam as a means of opposition to the State of Israel. In this case "Islamic" is a selfimposed description, not a shady description by "The Zionist Lobby, Inc.", Ha'aretz or anyone else. If anything, Ha'aretz refers to said political group, not to Islam in general (except for one of the tags below the headline).

 

Religion is not a stamp. And the more you make it a stamp the more people treat it like that. Nothing good can come of it. Just look at WW2. When Jew was a stamp and only bad things were associated with them because of Nazi propaganda. "Jews destroyed the german economy, we are poor because of the jew" How is this any different?

 

Well, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, slave labour for the monopolized war economy, and so on. So yeah, how's that any different? :blink: See, that's why Nazi comparisons don't necessarily further one's point.

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Oh c'mon... This guy is the head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, a movement that promotes Islam as a means of opposition to the State of Israel. In this case "Islamic" is a selfimposed description, not a shady description by "The Zionist Lobby, Inc.", Ha'aretz or anyone else. If anything, Ha'aretz refers to said political group, not to Islam in general (except for one of the tags below the headline).

 

 

 

Well, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, slave labour for the monopolized war economy, and so on. So yeah, how's that any different? :blink: See, that's why Nazi comparisons don't necessarily further one's point.

 

I dont see your point. The point i was trying to make was not to categorize all Muslims as being "troublemakers" The guys is a leader of a group that happens to be following their own view of Islam so that they can enforce their views upon others. The problem is that they might refer to the political group but using a stamp will create a certain mindset with the common man that stretches on to regular hard working Muslims around the world. Before 9/11 nobody could care less if you were a Muslim but today if you say you are a Muslim people look at you like you will blow up any second.

 

In this case i find it that a nazi comparison does exactly that. In my view its no different than what the nazis did. They blamed a whole group of people. They stamped them and that stamp went on to be a common view of a man that happened to be of a Jewish heritage. I can bring up other similar situations.

My old home country Bosnia. The serbs called the muslims turks. Why? To alienate them and to create a we and them mindset.

 

If you try to fight islam you fight 1.2billion people. If you fight a certain political group in Israel well then you only fight those people.

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I just love how he gets stamped as an "Islamic" troublemaker and not just troublemaker or racist. Way to go on creating even more tension and hate towards Muslims that have nothing to do with this.

I wonder though. Had it been a Christian troublemaker would you and the news have written "Christian troublemaker gets deported" Somehow i doubt that.

 

Well, that's EXACTLY where you're wrong!....If you'd care to read through some recent posts of mine..I have defended Muslim's on more than one Occasion!!!

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I dont see your point. The point i was trying to make was not to categorize all Muslims as being "troublemakers" The guys is a leader of a group that happens to be following their own view of Islam so that they can enforce their views upon others. The problem is that they might refer to the political group but using a stamp will create a certain mindset with the common man that stretches on to regular hard working Muslims around the world. Before 9/11 nobody could care less if you were a Muslim but today if you say you are a Muslim people look at you like you will blow up any second.

 

In this case i find it that a nazi comparison does exactly that. In my view its no different than what the nazis did. They blamed a whole group of people. They stamped them and that stamp went on to be a common view of a man that happened to be of a Jewish heritage. I can bring up other similar situations.

My old home country Bosnia. The serbs called the muslims turks. Why? To alienate them and to create a we and them mindset.

 

If you try to fight islam you fight 1.2billion people. If you fight a certain political group in Israel well then you only fight those people.

 

You said in post #4: "I just love how he gets stamped as an "Islamic" troublemaker", whereas neither Ha'aretz nor anyone in this thread put Muslims under general suspicion. Yes, what you describe is most certainly a problem (you see, I'm really not trying to argue here, it's more that I'm unsatisfied with the assumptions and implications that surface alongside the discussion), but in this case everyone stuck to the facts, namely that this guy is a demagogue labeling himself, his ideology and his movement "Islamic". End of story.

 

As for the Nazi comparison: Alienating a group of people is one thing, but putting them up for extermination and casually using the process of extermination as the fuel for economy is something else, something that is entirely different. Nazism cannot be defined by such basic categories like "us vs. them", because the entire system itself was a mess and a constant struggle for power that furthered the antagonism that caused it. Jews were not killed because of their religion, but because of their identification with the sphere of circulation, which as well was eliminated in the process. German war economy had no market, because the "personification of the market" was enslaved and worked to death, or - if not suitable for the latter - killed instantly. Nazism used these techniques of domination you describe, but these techniquies are by no means adequate characteristics of National Socialism. (Just in case anyone is interested: Go read Franz Neumann's Behemoth. The guy worked for OSS during WW2.)

 

BTW, I don't thinks it's the differences between humans (no matter if individuals or groups) that cause problems, it is "bad" egalitarianism and/or difference without reconciliation.

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The international award for troublemakers is a purple mark of hobnailed boot sole on the butt. Without any clasp distinguishing the religion. Period.

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The international award for troublemakers is a purple mark of hobnailed boot sole on the butt. Without any clasp distinguishing the religion. Period.

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I just love how he gets stamped as an "Islamic" troublemaker and not just troublemaker or racist

Let's turn the tables. If it was a general in the U.S. Army I'm about positive that the he would be labeled Army General troublemaker. Or let's talk about the Westboro Church (God hates fags) "christians" here. They're labeled what they are, there's no skirting around the fact that they're a Christian church. I understand your point about bad relations for muslims though. But isn't it about time that people are called for what they are? Why is it that when some muslims get mad and are "offended" they resort to violence? This Islamic troublemaker assaulted a police officer. What some muslims in some parts of the world just refuse to understand is that in western society you behave by western norms. Period. Dude wasn't singled out cuz of his religion. Granted, he's part of a hate group so the press labeled him as such.

 

Xclusiv8, why are you offended by the headline? I promise you that cleric wasn't. He was described by exactly what he is.

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.I have defended Muslim's on more than one Occasion!!!

That's a good point. I on the other hand will not defend anyone of any religion if they are acting wrongly. People standing behind their religion and committing crimes and atrocities and saying "that's how it is back home" or some other such BS doesn't fly with me. If you visit my country, you are expected to abide by it's laws, I don't give a rat's arse if you agree with the laws or not. Same thing if you visit my state. And if you visit my home you will obey my every command or you will bounce off the curb on the street a couple of times. That's the facts, and that's how things are in the real world.

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Let's turn the tables. If it was a general in the U.S. Army I'm about positive that the he would be labeled Army General troublemaker. Or let's talk about the Westboro Church (God hates fags) "christians" here. They're labeled what they are, there's no skirting around the fact that they're a Christian church. I understand your point about bad relations for muslims though. But isn't it about time that people are called for what they are? Why is it that when some muslims get mad and are "offended" they resort to violence? This Islamic troublemaker assaulted a police officer. What some muslims in some parts of the world just refuse to understand is that in western society you behave by western norms. Period. Dude wasn't singled out cuz of his religion. Granted, he's part of a hate group so the press labeled him as such.

 

Xclusiv8, why are you offended by the headline? I promise you that cleric wasn't. He was described by exactly what he is.

 

So you think being and army general is the same as being a Muslim? Is a work title the same as a faith? Ive read about this Westboro Church people. In not one article did anyone write Christians hate fags. Its a church but they did not target the group called Christians.

Christian priests molest boys, did they write Christian troublemaker rapes kid? No they did not. Its a bad seed they say.

And what are these people if not people? You are making the word Muslim and Islamic a bad thing by associating it to bad people. Creating even more fuzz around people that are already targeted.

 

You do realize that not all Muslims live in the Arab countries right? Muslims all around the world take crap from people like you just for being Muslim. They do nothing to you. They pay their taxes, they go to work. But the big western man watch to much tv and has to stamp them all as terrorists. And as far as i know. In the western world we have a thing called freedom. They have the right to practice their religion. Marry how they want, live how they want and speak however they want. No law in the world can take that away from them. Respect goes both ways. If you cant respect their ways why should they respect yours?

 

What some muslims in some part refuse...?? Allow me to laugh! HAHA. Are you telling me people in western societies dont assault police officers? Dont make trouble? Do follow these western "norms" and laws? Please spare me the mumbo jumbo. I bet you anything that we westerns do those things on a bigger scale than the so called trouble making Muslims you so want to put the blame on.

 

I am not offended. I just dont like generalization that creates even more hate towards honest people that have nothing to do with this maniac.

 

What i love most is that not even the majority of the terrorist acts around the world are made by fundamentalist Muslims. Only 0.4% of all terrorist acts in europe are done by extremis muslims. The rest is by other groups. 6% in america. The rest is other groups. So how is it that these people get so much crap? Because people watch to much tv and they "STAMP" everyone else. So yeah islamophobia is widespread.

Dont belive me? Read the reports from europol.

Reports.

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So you think being and army general is the same as being a Muslim?

Clearly you misunderstood my point. Maybe it's because english isn't your first language. All I said was the guy is Muslim. He's also a troublemaker. And he did assault a cop. When Randy Cunningham (fighter ace in Vietnam) was caught stealing from his constitutents he was correctly described as an ex-fighter pilot and current congressman. The description of both of these men are correct and factual. Period.

 

In not one article did anyone write Christians hate fags.

You don't read much then. I've personally seen in my hometown paper as well as on the internet that the Westboro church described as "the God Hates Fags Baptist Church". Again, that description is 100% correct.

 

Christian priests molest boys, did they write Christian troublemaker rapes kid?

No, they say a Catholic priest molests boys. Or just priest. The catholic church is the only religious organization that has priests. It's a given, everyone knows that.

 

You are making the word Muslim and Islamic a bad thing by associating it to bad people. Creating even more fuzz around people that are already targeted.

I nor anyone else is not making either of those two words a bad thing. The people who are committing these crimes are the ones giving Islam a bad name. When was the last time you saw a christian strap on a suicide vest and blow someone up? Maybe your culture is different, but here in the states there's a whole bunch of us who judge people on how good or poorly they treat others.

 

But the big western man watch to much tv and has to stamp them all as terrorists.

Again, maybe that's how the "western man" in your country operates.

 

Are you telling me people in western societies dont assault police officers?

I"m saying that this particular individual, in this news article did assault a police officer. Or didn't you read the article?

 

I bet you anything that we westerns do those things on a bigger scale than the so called trouble making Muslims you so want to put the blame on.

Speak for yourself. In the last 100 years trouble making muslims have cornered the market on terrorism. Deal with it.

 

I am not offended. I just dont like generalization that creates even more hate towards honest people that have nothing to do with this maniac.

Of course you are, or you would have actually comprehended what the story said. Explain to me where the story is incorrect. The guy is part of a group that causes trouble in Israel. He dislikes Jews (don't believe me, google him. He's anti-semetic). He's muslim. He assaulted a police officer. He's being deported. Now maybe (again) it's you not understanding english as well as a native english speaker, but nowhere does that article blast all muslims as being bad. You are reading into the article what clearly isn't there. That's your fault if you refuse to actually read the words and understand only what the words say, because you're putting words into the author of that article's mouth. Period. One more thing: the guy was inciting racial hatred in his speech, which isn't cool in the UK. Why are you so worried about muslims "being offended"? I see people being arrested all the time that have similarities to myself. Whether it's religion, skin color, name, whatever. But I don't take it personal because on the outside someone appears similar to me. The fact that he committed a crime and couldn't act right in a civilized society is his fault. It has nothing to do with me. I know many more people who are similar but don't act like that. I'm about fed up with muslims taking things personal solely because they happen to be the same religion as the guy being arrested. Or the guy not acting right. Really? Are practitioners of Islam that emotional? There are hundreds of millions of muslims in the world, so if one muslim does something bad they automatically take offense to the billions of people on this planet branding that one muslim as a troublemaker? If that's the case, then that is their problem. No one has the right to not be offended. Deal with it, that's how the rest of the grown ups in the world operate.

 

Since we're on about Islam I'd like to hear from anyone here on the boards that is muslim. I have some questions about how moderate muslims feel. The Koran says that all infidels should be put to the point of the sword. I'm an infidel because I don't believe. Do all moderate muslims agree with what's written in the Koran? Or do they pick and choose what they want to follow much like some christians do in my country?

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Dont know how the multiple quote thing works. Did it like this instead.

 

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Clearly you misunderstood my point. Maybe it's because english isn't your first language. All I said was the guy is Muslim. He's also a troublemaker. And he did assault a cop. When Randy Cunningham (fighter ace in Vietnam) was caught stealing from his constitutents he was correctly described as an ex-fighter pilot and current congressman. The description of both of these men are correct and factual. Period.

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You are correct, English is not my first language. What i am saying is that callimng him Islamic has nothing to do with what he actually is. A troublemaker or terrorist depending on what he has done. Is the Islamic part really necessary? No its not. Its there just to put extra weight on it. The islamic part is not needed to actually describe him and his wrong doings.

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No, they say a Catholic priest molests boys. Or just priest. The catholic church is the only religious organization that has priests. It's a given, everyone knows that.

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So it would be okey to assume all Catholic priests are child molesters? Because that is what all this is creating? And your view and talk towards muslims shows this.

 

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I nor anyone else is not making either of those two words a bad thing. The people who are committing these crimes are the ones giving Islam a bad name. When was the last time you saw a christian strap on a suicide vest and blow someone up? Maybe your culture is different, but here in the states there's a whole bunch of us who judge people on how good or poorly they treat others.

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I agree. The extremist are making it all bad but stamping them makes it worse for the innocent ones.

When was the last time you saw a Muslim molest a child? When was the last time you saw a Muslim pick up a gun and kill his parents? When was the last time you saw a Muslim pick up arms and kill his whole class in school? You know what i am talking about and these people were Christian? Should we assume its a Christian problem? No you are stamping and generalizing.

Yes most people judge people on how good they are. So skip your here in the states bull crap. 99.9% of all Muslims have done nothing towards you or your nation yet you think it is okey to act this way towards them.

 

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Again, maybe that's how the "western man" in your country operates.

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Whats up with you and the we and them attitude? The western man does watch to much tv and does judge on those premises. And you are a great example of this.

 

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I"m saying that this particular individual, in this news article did assault a police officer. Or didn't you read the article?

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Yes i said nothing against that. I just commented on the title.

 

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Speak for yourself. In the last 100 years trouble making muslims have cornered the market on terrorism. Deal with it.

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I guess you did not read my link. You are wrong on that. Muslims have not done the majority of the terrorist acts in the world. Left and right wing extremist have. You deal with that! You sir believe in lies.

 

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Of course you are, or you would have actually comprehended what the story said. Explain to me where the story is incorrect.

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Again all i did was comment on the title. I said nothing about the accuracy or content of the story.

 

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The guy is part of a group that causes trouble in Israel. He dislikes Jews (don't believe me, google him. He's anti-semetic). He's muslim. He assaulted a police officer. He's being deported. Now maybe (again) it's you not understanding english as well as a native english speaker, but nowhere does that article blast all muslims as being bad. You are reading into the article what clearly isn't there.

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You dont seem to understand what i was saying. That stamping it as Islamic is something that causes more problem for innocent people than it is describing him and that such a stamp is not needed. It puts weight on something irrelevant. Why is it relevant that he is an Islamic troublemaker? Plz tell me that? And dont give me the muslims doing the most terrorist crap because it is not true.

 

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That's your fault if you refuse to actually read the words and understand only what the words say, because you're putting words into the author of that article's mouth. Period.

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Whats up with you and the period parts? Does it make you feel powerful to think you can end a conversation like that? That your word is final? Anyways.

I think it is your fault for letting your emotions and your clear hate and prejudice towards Muslims control what you are actually reading.

 

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One more thing: the guy was inciting racial hatred in his speech, which isn't cool in the UK. Why are you so worried about muslims "being offended"?

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Have i said anything about people getting offended? No i havent. Again all i stated was that this kind creates HATE towards a group that is not connected to this as hole. You dont seem to be able to comprehend that.

I am not worried about anyone being offended. I am worried about people like you creating so much hate towars a group of people that it ends up where we all were 65 years ago. I could give a crap if people get offended. Its not about being offended. Its about creating a bad mindset towards these people that they dont deserve. People are so willing to put all the blame on one group even if 99% of that group has nothing to do with those that actually do the bad things.

 

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I see people being arrested all the time that have similarities to myself. Whether it's religion, skin color, name, whatever. But I don't take it personal because on the outside someone appears similar to me. The fact that he committed a crime and couldn't act right in a civilized society is his fault. It has nothing to do with me. I know many more people who are similar but don't act like that.

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I agree.

 

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I'm about fed up with muslims taking things personal solely because they happen to be the same religion as the guy being arrested. Or the guy not acting right. Really? Are practitioners of Islam that emotional? There are hundreds of millions of muslims in the world, so if one muslim does something bad they automatically take offense to the billions of people on this planet branding that one muslim as a troublemaker? If that's the case, then that is their problem.

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First, I am not a muslim. My parents are, i myself am an atheist.

Second. You still dont understand that i dont give a crap about this guys religion. Everything in this quote is proof of your prejudice towards muslims. Why not just brand him as a troublmaker then? When any christian does a crime do you ever read christan troublemaker did it? Most people in america are christian. Why arent they all stamped with the christian part in the newspapers when they break the law? Christian driver speeded trough school area? No you dont read that.

 

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No one has the right to not be offended. Deal with it, that's how the rest of the grown ups in the world operate.

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I am tired of your prejudice towards me and Muslims. You seem to think you are so much better than me or that you comprehend these problems better? There is nothing i need to deal with. It is you who need to deal with your prejudice and hate towards a people you clearly know nothing about.

 

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Since we're on about Islam I'd like to hear from anyone here on the boards that is muslim. I have some questions about how moderate muslims feel. The Koran says that all infidels should be put to the point of the sword. I'm an infidel because I don't believe. Do all moderate muslims agree with what's written in the Koran? Or do they pick and choose what they want to follow much like some christians do in my country?

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Show me the parts where the koran says that all says this? Again your lack of knowledge.

Islam says to respect your neighbor, not to kill. Not to steal. Not to harm others but help them no matter who they are. The only time the koran talks about killing is when jihad is mentioned. And what is jihad? Jihad is a war towards the religion islam? Such thing does not exist today but yet people like Usama bin laden like to use those words so that weak minded people will follow him.

THe only real jihad that has been fought was the one with the templars.

 

 

How did the crusaders justify their acts? Apparently its in the bible that all need to be converted or die. How do you explain that?

According to the bible, slavery is okey.

When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)

 

Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. (Matt. 24:45-46)

 

Or how about human sacrifice?

"Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18)

 

Or burning?

"The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

 

Stoning in the bible. Ops who would have thought?

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

 

Oh wait the bible says kill those that dont listen to priests. Oh snap

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

 

 

So please spare me your lack of knowledge in a field you apparently know nothing about. These religions are not that different as you might think. The problem is the people that enforce them for their own need.

 

I am done with this discussion. All i did was question the need to put "Islamic" in the title. I do not wish to take it further than that. So this is the last post from me in this thread.

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I am tired of your prejudice towards me and Muslims. You seem to think you are so much better than me or that you comprehend these problems better?

Where do you get that I'm prejudiced towards muslims? Since you seem to know so much about me, what do I do for a living? Do I have brothers or sisters? Approximately how old am I? No need to answer, you don't know me because I don't know you. You're a screen name on an internet forum.

 

With some of your answers, you make comments about the type of people who shoot their schoolmates, or kill their parents. Are you insinuating that it's American caucasians that do this? Of course you are, no reason to answer. I'm an American caucasian. I'm not offended that you lump all of us into one category. Why you might ask? Because I nor anyone I know shoot their schoolmates or parents, or rape children. So I'm not offended cuz while I share the skin color (and religious preferences) of some of these people this is not how I nor anyone I know behaves.

 

That's how an adult in the real world behaves. Have you ever once thought that if someone has a problem with you (for whatever reason) that maybe it's not you, it's them that has f**ked up thinking? Why would you get emotional about someone else's thought processes when you know for a fact that you cannot change how anyone else in the world thinks. If you go thru life worrying about someone else not acting like you would in any given situation then you'll go thru life disappointed each and every day.

 

Your big complaint is that the truth was told about dude was that booted from the country. Fact is he's muslim. He's racist. He believes in physical violence. Is that how you think as well? Because the only logical reason that you would be upset is because you 1) are a follower of his 2) don't see anything wrong with what he stands for. So which is it? Or are you just one of those people who complains about how hard and difficult the world is? The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to like you. Not everyone likes me. I know I'm a good person and if someone doesn't like me that's their problem, not mine. I don't think twice about it nor lose sleep over it.

 

As for your quoting the Koran, I've read it. I know what it says. It says treat everyone nice and it says infidels must die (I'm paraphrasing). The Koran in several parts contradicts itself. Again, I don't care who is muslim (or black, white, spanish, asian, etc) because I judge people on an individual basis. But when you complain about the truth being spoken about someone your complaint falls on deaf ears. The guy that you're defending in this thread is a despicable human being. Notice I didn't say muslim, or assaulter, or race-baiter. However, those last three statements are also true. And when news reports on anything they sensationalize. Sorry if you don't like that one of Islam's brothers isn't acting right but frankly I nor anyone else can do anything about it. Just like I can't do anything about a rapist or a killer in my country. You need to quit being emo and sensitive and look at the real world for what it is: It's a place that is often bad and usually difficult for everyone day to day. And even thru all of that I manage to find joy and happiness even when some jaggoff is raping, murdering, car bombing or kicking puppies. You want people to see Islam in a better light? How about those that practice peace continue to do so. Because ultimately that will be revealed to all to understand.

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I've no wish to get terribly involved in this discussion, so I will simply post something that appeared in the Guardian t'other day.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/07/jerusalem-sheik-raed-salah-islamic?INTCMP=SRCH

 

I've not looked at the comments after the article so they may be filled with nutters, but generally the Grauniad (that's intentional, BTW) is pretty even handed on these issues. Judge for yourselves.

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