Navy Fires Carrier Air Wing CO

[MAKO69 186]

This guy made a super bad career choice.

 

 

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/sep/23/navy-fires-carrier-air-wing-co-jeffrey-winter/

[+whiteknight06604 934]

I certainly hope there are equal mesures being taken against the woman.

[Murphy'S 15]

wtf, they fired this guy just because he f*ck (sorry for the vulgarity) with a women in his service?

 

if she was consentant where is the matter?

 

don't now the man, but maybe the us navy lost a valuable guy just because old and oudated principles.

[+Erik 1,812]

The chain of command is not a rank it's an establishment. His involvement with a person subordinate to him weakens the command structure, and given the nature of his job that's unforgivable. The Navy is not only correct in removing his command but is being lenient considering his reassignment. The Navy lost nothing, they removed a liability.

[Capitaine Vengeur 263]

"There is nothing on this earth sexier, believe me, gentlemen, than a woman you have to salute in the morning. Promote 'em all, I say, 'cause this is true: if you haven't gotten a blowjob from a superior officer, well, you're just letting the best in life pass you by."  -  Jack Nicholson as a colonel of Marines in A few good men.

[macelena 1,070]

If she was under her in the chain of command, i´m sorry buddy, but you have to suck it up. No pun intended.

[Ghost029 1]

Yup he has to go. If he doesn't anything that happens to the junior officer will be perceived as being from the relationship good or bad. Her actual performance will not matter. He got off lucky.

[+whiteknight06604 934]

Yup he has to go. If he doesn't anything that happens to the junior officer will be perceived as being from the relationship good or bad. Her actual performance will not matter. He got off lucky.

I agree but the female should face the same punishment. it takes 2 to tango and she broke the chain of command rules just the same. now she is just as tarnished as he is.

[Vampyre 24]

wtf, they fired this guy just because he f*ck (sorry for the vulgarity) with a women in his service?

 

if she was consentant where is the matter?

 

don't now the man, but maybe the us navy lost a valuable guy just because old and oudated principles.

Below is an exerpt from the Navy Fraternization Policy-

 

 The Navy has historically relied upon custom and tradition to define the bounds of acceptable personal relationships among its members. Proper social interaction among officer and enlisted members has always been encouraged as it enhances unit morale and esprit de corps. At the same time, unduly familiar personal relationships between officers and enlisted members have traditionally been contrary to naval custom because they undermine the respect for authority, which is essential to Navy's ability to accomplish its military mission. Over 220 years of seagoing experience have demonstrated that seniors must maintain thoroughly professional relationships with juniors at all times. This custom recognizes the need to prevent use of a senior grade or position in such a way that it results in (or gives the appearance of) favoritism, preferential treatment, personal gain, or involves actions that otherwise may reasonably be expected to undermine good order, discipline, authority, or high unit morale. In like manner, custom requires that junior personnel recognize and respect the authority inherent in a senior's grade, rank, or position. This recognition of authority is evidenced by observance and enforcement of the military courtesies and customs that have traditionally defined proper senior-subordinate relationships.

"Fraternization" is the term traditionally used to identify personal relationships that contravene the customary bounds of acceptable senior-subordinate relationships. Although it has most commonly been applied to officer-enlisted relationships, fraternization also includes improper relationships and social interaction between officer members as well as between enlisted members.

Historically, fraternization is a gender-neutral concept. Its focus is on the detriment to good order and discipline resulting from the erosion of respect for authority inherent in an unduly familiar senior-subordinate relationship, not the sex of the members involved. In this sense, fraternization is a uniquely military concept, although abuse of a senior's position for personal gain and actual or perceived preferential treatment are leadership and management problems that also arise in civilian organizations. In the context of military life, the potential erosion of respect for the authority and leadership position of a senior in grade or rank can have an enormously negative effect on good order and discipline and seriously undermine a unit's effectiveness. Therefore, prohibition of fraternization serves a valid, mission essential purpose.

 

This policy is about the good of the team, not the individuals. Because we do our jobs correctly by training our replacements there are qualified leaders ready to fill any vacancy left by the removal from command of Captain Winters. More information can be found in OPNAV 5370.2C.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Vampyre

[Capitaine Vengeur 263]

Long time since the first women officers aboard could have been welcomed by a: "Beware, miss, I suspect at least three of my seamen to be heterosexual!"

[ Yes, some reputations are enduring: in the same A few good men quoted above, Nicholson takes on the "faggoty white uniform"... ]

[+Jug 99]

All services have very strict prohibitions against consorting with subordinate ranks.  Very strict.  This guy made some bad choices and he should suffer the consequences.  So did the woman in question.  Sex or personal relationships should not have any effect on decisions as to who does what in all military units.  There is and always be the potential for that kind of special consideration if such a relationship exists.  Destroys morale and unit cohesion.  Throw the bums out.

 

Good on the Navy. 

[+Typhoid 231]

Concur. Keel-haul them both.

 

It has been astonishing over the years to see how many have lost their careers this way.