Eagle114th 541 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Hello everyone, I am working on Strike Fighter 2 (simulation) big mod project. I am still looking for excellent pictures and videos of MiG-17, 19, and 21 wing vortex when performing hard-turning. As always, when it is difficult for me to find a clear picture or videos of specific aircraft situation, the request is posted here. If anyone has better pictures or videos, please share them here. As always, thank you, everyone for the support. Cheers Edited May 26, 2022 by Eagle114th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ravenclaw_007 7,495 Posted May 18, 2022 are you talking of this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, ravenclaw_007 said: are you talking of this Yes! Exactly this! Is it called wing vortex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ravenclaw_007 7,495 Posted May 18, 2022 take a look at all of my F-4E mods , all of them have it , look below thats how i set it up but some nodes you can find only on my models not on the standard TW ones [VortexGenL1] ParentComponentName=Underside_Left ModelNodeName=Underside_Left_Light DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-1.941,0.52,-0.63 VortexG=5.0 [VortexGenL2] ParentComponentName=Underside_Left ModelNodeName=Underside_Left_Light-Glass DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-2.363,-0.03,-0.639 VortexG=4.9 [VortexGenL3] ParentComponentName=Underside_Left ModelNodeName=Auxiliary_Intake_Bay_Left DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-2.759,-0.527,-0.651 VortexG=4.8 [VortexGenL4] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner ModelNodeName=wing_left_inner DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-3.155,-1.031,-0.663 VortexG=4.7 [VortexGenL5] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner ModelNodeName=spoiler_bay_left DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-3.555,-1.549,-0.677 VortexG=4.6 [VortexGenL6] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner ModelNodeName=wing_fuel_vent_left DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-4.042,-2.045,-0.718 VortexG=4.5 [VortexGenL7] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer ModelNodeName=left_tip_glass01 DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-4.481,-2.603,-0.627 VortexG=4.4 [VortexGenL8] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer ModelNodeName=wing_tip_left DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-4.922,-3.189,-0.531 VortexG=4.3 [VortexGenL9] ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer ModelNodeName=left_tip_glass DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=-5.327,-3.715,-0.447 VortexG=4.2 [VortexGenR1] ParentComponentName=Underside_Right ModelNodeName=Underside_Right_Light DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=1.941,0.52,-0.63 VortexG=5.0 [VortexGenR2] ParentComponentName=Underside_Right ModelNodeName=Underside_Right_Light-Glass DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=2.363,-0.03,-0.639 VortexG=4.9 [VortexGenR3] ParentComponentName=Underside_Right ModelNodeName=Auxiliary_Intake_Bay_right DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=2.759,-0.527,-0.651 VortexG=4.8 [VortexGenR4] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner ModelNodeName=wing_right_inner DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=3.155,-1.031,-0.663 VortexG=4.7 [VortexGenR5] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner ModelNodeName=spoiler_bay_right DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=3.555,-1.549,-0.677 VortexG=4.6 [VortexGenR6] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner ModelNodeName=wing_fuel_vent_right DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=4.042,-2.045,-0.718 VortexG=4.5 [VortexGenR7] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer ModelNodeName=right_tip_glass01 DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=4.481,-2.603,-0.627 VortexG=4.4 [VortexGenR8] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer ModelNodeName=wing_tip_right DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=4.922,-3.189,-0.531 VortexG=4.3 [VortexGenR9] ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer ModelNodeName=right_tip_glass DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=False DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.0 HasVortexEmitter=TRUE VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter VortexPosition=5.327,-3.715,-0.447 VortexG=4.2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ravenclaw_007 said: take a look at all of my F-4E mods , all of them have it , look below thats how i set it up but some nodes you can find only on my models not on the standard TW ones Ravenclaw_007, I am very glad to see you here. I am honored to get the reply from you! The codes you provided here are much appreciated too. My current new 3D volume effect experimental for F-4 is actually directly based on your F-4 codes. Your name and the link to your mod is added to the credit page. When I studied your codes, I was figuring out how to convert it from 2D to 3D. It was done successfully. You can follow my progress in this link: https://combatace.com/forums/topic/97359-my-first-attempt-to-overhaul-aircraft-entirely-visual-effects/ The reason why I ask about wing vortex is that I made two version and is uncertain which one is more realistic. Here are screenshot: VERSION 1: VERSION 2: Eagle114th Edited May 18, 2022 by Eagle114th 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ravenclaw_007 7,495 Posted May 18, 2022 i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do ) check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ravenclaw_007 said: i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do ) check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion ) Perfect! I am up for the challenge! I can try to do this one. Thank you for excellent picture, this is what I needed. I will come back with an improved wing vortex. Cheers Edited May 18, 2022 by Eagle114th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 19, 2022 I am getting there. I am still adjusting the codes. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 19, 2022 Improvement so far. Right now I am working on giving them a variety of sizes by adjusting this code: ParticleLifeTimeDeviation 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 19, 2022 20 hours ago, ravenclaw_007 said: i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do ) check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion ) Just a head up, I released a beta version of F-4B with all new effects at this link: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ravenclaw_007 7,495 Posted May 19, 2022 looking good 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Nightshade/PR 7,601 Posted May 21, 2022 My small video contribution to your cause..... With a couple of wing vortex shots https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=raf+f-4+takeoff+videos&docid=607994230724624980&mid=81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Nightshade/PR said: My small video contribution to your cause..... With a couple of wing vortex shots https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=raf+f-4+takeoff+videos&docid=607994230724624980&mid=81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE Thank you for the screenshots of both F-4s wing vortex and UK F-4s RR Spey afterburner! This confirms it. The big difference between US F-4s (J79) and UK F-4s (Spey) are the afterburner color and the way it looks. RR Spey afterburner look more smooth while the color is more whitish. I am going to work on new afterburner effects for UK F-4Ks and Ms. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+daddyairplanes 9,706 Posted May 21, 2022 overall, welcome to a truth of good SF2 modding: its about 75% hunting for pics and information, 15% setting things up/figuring things out to make the mod and about 10% actually making a mod plus or minus about 50% cussing when it doesnt work/when it does work 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 11:45 PM, daddyairplanes said: overall, welcome to a truth of good SF2 modding: its about 75% hunting for pics and information, 15% setting things up/figuring things out to make the mod and about 10% actually making a mod plus or minus about 50% cussing when it doesnt work/when it does work That is very true. I am surprised how it is difficult to find certain materials for the specific aircraft. For example, I am looking for the information about A-1H and J landing lights or the pictures/videos of A-1 taxing, takeoff, or landing at night. This will give me an opportunity to learn the tricks of hunting pictures and videos. Eagle114th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Nightshade/PR 7,601 Posted May 23, 2022 That IS a difficult one. I have rolled through lots of videos & photos, but none seem to show the plane with the lights on. Yet, it does have them. (Item #162 on the cutaway) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nightshade/PR said: That IS a difficult one. I have rolled through lots of videos & photos, but none seem to show the plane with the lights on. Yet, it does have them. (Item #162 on the cutaway) Thank you for this picture! It is also an excellent picture for the collection too! I see now, I am going to adjust the landing light location to next to where the cannons are (For SF2 modding). Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+daddyairplanes 9,706 Posted May 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Eagle114th said: That is very true. I am surprised how it is difficult to find certain materials for the specific aircraft. For example, I am looking for the information about A-1H and J landing lights or the pictures/videos of A-1 taxing, takeoff, or landing at night. This will give me an opportunity to learn the tricks of hunting pictures and videos. Eagle114th all depends on your area of interest i like from just after Vietnam through Kosovo timefram. for the 70s and 80s stuff its often better to get books from the 80s. not as super informative as current books (capt x took airframe y on route z) but its the start of high quality pics mixed with the subjects being then fairly current. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrench 9,722 Posted May 24, 2022 check some of the skins/decal sets or look for data inis. I've corrected all the lilghts on Skyraiders yearssssssssssssssssssss ago. Even moved the pilot's hit box from 6 feet in front of the engine, to where it belongs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle114th 541 Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Wrench said: check some of the skins/decal sets or look for data inis. I've corrected all the lilghts on Skyraiders yearssssssssssssssssssss ago. Even moved the pilot's hit box from 6 feet in front of the engine, to where it belongs. I see, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for informing me. I will look into your A-1 skins and mods. Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
