Searching for MIG-17 /19 /21 wing vortex pictures / videos

[+Eagle114th 611]

Hello everyone,

I am working on Strike Fighter 2 (simulation) big mod project. I am still looking for excellent pictures and videos of MiG-17, 19, and 21 wing vortex when performing hard-turning.  As always, when it is difficult for me to find a clear picture or videos of specific aircraft situation, the request is posted here.

If anyone has better pictures or videos, please share them here.  As always, thank you, everyone for the support.


Cheers
 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Eagle114th

[+ravenclaw_007 7,622]

are you talking of this

[+Eagle114th 611]

22 minutes ago, ravenclaw_007 said:

are you talking of this

Yes! Exactly this!  Is it called wing vortex? 

[+ravenclaw_007 7,622]

take a look at all of my F-4E mods , all of them have it , look below thats how i set it up but some nodes you can find only on my models not on the standard TW ones

[VortexGenL1]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Left
ModelNodeName=Underside_Left_Light
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-1.941,0.52,-0.63
VortexG=5.0

[VortexGenL2]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Left
ModelNodeName=Underside_Left_Light-Glass
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-2.363,-0.03,-0.639
VortexG=4.9

[VortexGenL3]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Left
ModelNodeName=Auxiliary_Intake_Bay_Left
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-2.759,-0.527,-0.651
VortexG=4.8

[VortexGenL4]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner
ModelNodeName=wing_left_inner
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-3.155,-1.031,-0.663
VortexG=4.7

[VortexGenL5]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner
ModelNodeName=spoiler_bay_left
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-3.555,-1.549,-0.677
VortexG=4.6

[VortexGenL6]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_Inner
ModelNodeName=wing_fuel_vent_left
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-4.042,-2.045,-0.718
VortexG=4.5

[VortexGenL7]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer
ModelNodeName=left_tip_glass01
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-4.481,-2.603,-0.627
VortexG=4.4

[VortexGenL8]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer
ModelNodeName=wing_tip_left
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-4.922,-3.189,-0.531
VortexG=4.3

[VortexGenL9]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Left_outer
ModelNodeName=left_tip_glass
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-5.327,-3.715,-0.447
VortexG=4.2

[VortexGenR1]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Right
ModelNodeName=Underside_Right_Light
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=1.941,0.52,-0.63
VortexG=5.0

[VortexGenR2]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Right
ModelNodeName=Underside_Right_Light-Glass
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=2.363,-0.03,-0.639
VortexG=4.9

[VortexGenR3]
ParentComponentName=Underside_Right
ModelNodeName=Auxiliary_Intake_Bay_right
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=2.759,-0.527,-0.651
VortexG=4.8

[VortexGenR4]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner
ModelNodeName=wing_right_inner
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=3.155,-1.031,-0.663
VortexG=4.7

[VortexGenR5]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner
ModelNodeName=spoiler_bay_right
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=3.555,-1.549,-0.677
VortexG=4.6

[VortexGenR6]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_Inner
ModelNodeName=wing_fuel_vent_right
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=4.042,-2.045,-0.718
VortexG=4.5

[VortexGenR7]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer
ModelNodeName=right_tip_glass01
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=4.481,-2.603,-0.627
VortexG=4.4

[VortexGenR8]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer
ModelNodeName=wing_tip_right
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=4.922,-3.189,-0.531
VortexG=4.3

[VortexGenR9]
ParentComponentName=Wing_Right_outer
ModelNodeName=right_tip_glass
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=False
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.0
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=F-4VortexEmitter
VortexPosition=5.327,-3.715,-0.447
VortexG=4.2

[+Eagle114th 611]

2 hours ago, ravenclaw_007 said:

take a look at all of my F-4E mods , all of them have it , look below thats how i set it up but some nodes you can find only on my models not on the standard TW ones

Ravenclaw_007, I am very glad to see you here.  I am honored to get the reply from you!  The codes you provided here are much appreciated too.

My current new 3D volume effect experimental for F-4 is actually directly based on your F-4 codes.  Your name and the link to your mod is added to the credit page.  When I studied your codes, I was figuring out how to convert it from 2D to 3D.  It was done successfully.  You can follow my progress in this link:

https://combatace.com/forums/topic/97359-my-first-attempt-to-overhaul-aircraft-entirely-visual-effects/

The reason why I ask about wing vortex is that I made two version and is uncertain which one is more realistic.  Here are screenshot:

VERSION 1:



VERSION 2:



Eagle114th

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Eagle114th

[+ravenclaw_007 7,622]

i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do )

check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion )

[+Eagle114th 611]

13 minutes ago, ravenclaw_007 said:

i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do )

check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion )

Perfect!  I am up for the challenge!  I can try to do this one.  

Thank you for excellent picture, this is what I needed.  I will come back with an improved wing vortex.  


Cheers

Edited May 18, 2022 by Eagle114th

[+Eagle114th 611]

I am getting there.  I am still adjusting the codes.

[+Eagle114th 611]

 

 

Improvement so far.  Right now I am working on giving them a variety of sizes by adjusting this code:

ParticleLifeTimeDeviation

[+Eagle114th 611]

20 hours ago, ravenclaw_007 said:

i think it is a matter of taste , i always had the feeling that my original version is not real enough and i did not like the look of the emitters they are to pointed for my taste i like to have a more closed front but i could not find a way to do it except of adding a lot more vortex emitters ( what i maybe going to do )

check this picture , i think your version 1 is more like it , but the emitter must move more forward and has to be a bit longer ( my opinion )

Just a head up, I released a beta version of F-4B with all new effects at this link:
 

 

[+ravenclaw_007 7,622]

looking good 

[+Nightshade/PR 7,858]

My small video contribution to your cause..... With a couple of wing vortex shots

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=raf+f-4+takeoff+videos&docid=607994230724624980&mid=81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[+Eagle114th 611]

2 hours ago, Nightshade/PR said:

My small video contribution to your cause..... With a couple of wing vortex shots

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=raf+f-4+takeoff+videos&docid=607994230724624980&mid=81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C81D5AFC8EDAC44E6A78C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Thank you for the screenshots of both F-4s wing vortex and UK F-4s RR Spey afterburner!

This confirms it.  The big difference between US F-4s (J79) and UK F-4s (Spey) are the afterburner color and the way it looks. RR Spey afterburner look more smooth while the color is more whitish.  I am going to work on new afterburner effects for UK F-4Ks and Ms.

Cheers

[+daddyairplanes 10,146]

overall, welcome to a truth of good SF2 modding: its about 75% hunting for pics and information, 15% setting things up/figuring things out to make the mod and about 10% actually making a mod

plus or minus about 50% cussing when it doesnt work/when it does work

[+Eagle114th 611]

On 5/21/2022 at 11:45 PM, daddyairplanes said:

overall, welcome to a truth of good SF2 modding: its about 75% hunting for pics and information, 15% setting things up/figuring things out to make the mod and about 10% actually making a mod

plus or minus about 50% cussing when it doesnt work/when it does work

That is very true.  I am surprised how it is difficult to find certain materials for the specific aircraft.  For example, I am looking for the information about A-1H and J landing lights or the pictures/videos of A-1 taxing, takeoff, or landing at night. 

This will give me an opportunity to learn the tricks of hunting pictures and videos. 


Eagle114th

[+Nightshade/PR 7,858]

That IS a difficult one. I have rolled through lots of videos & photos, but none seem to show the plane with the lights on. Yet, it does have them. (Item #162 on the cutaway)

[+Eagle114th 611]

12 minutes ago, Nightshade/PR said:

That IS a difficult one. I have rolled through lots of videos & photos, but none seem to show the plane with the lights on. Yet, it does have them. (Item #162 on the cutaway)

Thank you for this picture!  It is also an excellent picture for the collection too!

I see now, I am going to adjust the landing light location to next to where the cannons are (For SF2 modding). 

 

Cheers!

[+daddyairplanes 10,146]

5 hours ago, Eagle114th said:

That is very true.  I am surprised how it is difficult to find certain materials for the specific aircraft.  For example, I am looking for the information about A-1H and J landing lights or the pictures/videos of A-1 taxing, takeoff, or landing at night. 

This will give me an opportunity to learn the tricks of hunting pictures and videos. 


Eagle114th

all depends on your area of interest

i like from just after Vietnam through Kosovo timefram. for the 70s and 80s stuff its often better to get books from the 80s. not as super informative as current books (capt x took airframe y on route z) but its the start of high quality pics mixed with the subjects being then fairly current.

[Wrench 9,801]

check some of the skins/decal sets or look for data inis. I've corrected all the lilghts on Skyraiders yearssssssssssssssssssss ago.

Even moved the pilot's hit box from 6 feet in front of the engine, to where it belongs.

[+Eagle114th 611]

2 hours ago, Wrench said:

check some of the skins/decal sets or look for data inis. I've corrected all the lilghts on Skyraiders yearssssssssssssssssssss ago.

Even moved the pilot's hit box from 6 feet in front of the engine, to where it belongs.

I see, I wasn't aware of that.  Thank you for informing me. I will look into your A-1 skins and mods.


Cheers!