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View File Mig-19S Cockpit (Twin-Engine Fighter) A Cockpit mod of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit, to create the North Viet Nam-modified Mig-19S cockpit for use in the stock Thirdwire Mig-19S cockpit (or any other non-radar Mig-19). For SFP1/WOV/WOE/WOI. Full install instructions, credits in the enclosed read me! Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 04/30/2008 Category Jet Cockpits  

Tactics on how to fight in the Mig-19. 1). Top gun training showed that when flying the Mig-19/21, you can often go pure vertical at the merge and often defeat the F-4..and of course the F-100. 2)...or just lower flaps and outturn the F-4 in the deep stall buffet if the F-4 tries to turn slowly too.* *"Scream of Eagles", Wilcox. pp.21-22.

Mig-19S readme and changes compared to Mig-17. What is different compared to my Mig-17 cockpit: 1. The exhaust gas temperature gauge (EGT) is changed to the twin-engine version with two red circles in it. 2. The gunsight is changed to the square ASP 5N gunsight with a square crash pad. 3. The Russians added a distinctive six-light warning panel. 4. The Mig-19 added three ammo counters between the pilot's legs. 5. A large red and yellow landing gear handle was added. 6. Toggle switches finally replaced the buttons on the master panel switch on the right cockpit side panel. 7. Tens of other changes including instrument locations, instrument additions and color changes.

Okay. It is almost finished: I found references for the hard-to-find section between the pilot's legs...three ammo counters.

<<2. Use lag-pursuit>> I find that I horizontally out turn Migs at 450+ knots (push them out) in an F-4. They bleed off airspeed trying to "cut the corner" and I simply end up on their tail after a few turns and gun them. This F-4 tactic was also in the Top Gun tactics book called Scream of Eagles. In other words "my turn rate exceeds their turn radius"...they can't turn as well at high speeds as I can and I force them to fight at my superior speed. Those two huge F-4 engines push the truck around faster then they can. Migs have pretty high airspeed bleed in tight turns be they the Mig-21 Delta or the sharply swept Mig-19. Remember, even the later versioned- F-86 Sabre is reputed to be able to out turn the Mig-15 in many cases at lower altitudes.

Brillliant job, Thanks!

Beautiful pic. That's a Mig-17 isn't it? It doesn't have the double-engine gauges on the right or the Mig-19 gunsight that the two-engined Mig-19 would have, I think.

I am missing information/good photos of this redmarked area between the pilot's legs: Thanks.

Thank you , Thank you , Thank you Trooper!!! I have a lot of oblong angle color and B/W photos but am missing bits and pieces of the panel. I also have a cockpit diagram...but it is too general to use much. I was reaching some dead ends until your photos showed up. This really helps! I have sharply looked at the internet for three days and come up with only bits and pieces and a UTube video that pans so quickly that it is barely useful. I still need the panel between the pilot's legs...part of the armament panel...particularily the left side of that panel between the pilot's legs. Please, everyone keep your photos both black and white and color coming on this thread of the Mig-19 instrument panel...then I can make you a better cockpit!!!! besides...cockpit photos are facinating! By the way, I flew the Thirdwire Mig-19 last night with the current modded Mig-19 cockpit I have. The difference for me personally was night and day. With the new cockpit I think differently as I fly and feel the magnificent Mig-19 as it was meant to be...a fantastic climber, boomer and zoomer extraordinare with a devestating armament....what a difference a dedicated cockpit made for me personally! My lastest update-more refined-

Twin-engine Mig-19S Farmer cockpit I am working on. Massive repaint and repositioning of the cockpit of the Thirdwire Scooter. From cockpit photos and diagrams. I am still looking for more cockpit photos and pilot manual diagrams. It fought in the Middle East, Pakistan and Vietnam. It climbed much faster and had a higher thrust-weight ratio than its closest rival-the F-100 Super Sabre.

Interesting! Can you shoot anything down?

Dang it. I will upload it again. About 16 people apparently successfully downloaded it before it went south....strange ..and when I upload it, half the time, a statement pops up stating that there was an error...and about the other half of the time another statement pops up stating that it was sucessfully uploaded. I guess it is always sucessfully uploaded even if the error window pops up...and I should just ignore the error popup window.

View File Mig-17F Cockpit A Cockpit mod of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit, to create the North Vietnam-modified Mig-17F cockpit for use in the standard Thirdwire Mig-17F. The Mig-17F was the standard version used in Vietnam and Middle East combat. For SFP1/WOV/WOE/WOI. Complete credits and history in readme. Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 04/15/2008 Category Jet Cockpits  

I just released it. It has many additions compared to the Mig-15Bis cockpit. Now next for a Mig-19 cockpit...it has that funky-looking square gunsight crash pad, a few double engine instruments but otherwise again very similar to the Mig-17 cockpit and the last of the "Mig-15 series" cockpits.

File Name: Mig-17F Cockpit File Submitter: ordway File Submitted: 14 Apr 2008 File Updated: 14 Apr 2008 File Category: Jet Cockpits A Cockpit mod of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit, to create the North Vietnam-modified Mig-17F cockpit for use in the standard Thirdwire Mig-17F. The Mig-17F was the main combat variant in the Vietnam war and Middle East and scored many victories. Referenced from multiple color photos and cockpit layout diagrams. Instruments and placards moved, eliminated, repainted and painted from scratch. Individual instruments in Russian as they were historically. Yes, it correctly has the artificial horizon correctly Soviet-color-reversed, upside down-working (I even flew an ex-Soviet fighter that had this). Campared to the similar earlier Mig-15bis cockpit many additions were made: 1. The Russians added the rearview mirror as standard. Apparently on the previous Mig-15, it created too many technical problems to include. http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig15_2.html 2. -The temperature gauge was changed according to some photos to add a big colorful half red circle and they eliminated the colorful rainbow gauge casing around it. 3. -They added a large red canopy handle according to some photos (very colorful and distinctive!). 4. The instrument panel rivets started having long screw driver holes in them according to some photos! 5. The Russians also added a large shiny, silver casing to the clock below the artificial horizon...perhaps a graduation present from flying the earlier Mig-15! 6. Two more buttons and a toggle switch were added to the instrument panel coaming. 7. Finally, the American-style six diamond gunsight reticle replaced the old British-style round circle. For SFP1/WOV/WOE/WOI. Complete credits and history in readme. Instructions: 1-Backup your files! 2- Unzip the Mig-17F cockpit (North Vietnam modified) to ...\SFP1\Objects\Aircraft\Mig-17F\ 3-When prompted, overwrite the files. More detailed instructions are included within. Just ask at the combatace forum if you have problems. Enjoy! Click here to download this file

Thanks Lexx. That never occured to me!

Back at it again! Mig-17F cockpit nearing completion. A repaint and repositioning of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit. The Mig-17 initially had the same cockpit as the Mig-15 according to sources. Slowly it evolved to the Mig-17F-one of the main Vietnam and middle east combat variants. According to photos these six following (at least) changes from the Mig-15Bis cockpit were added to the Mig-17F: 1. -Finally, the Russians added the rearview mirror as standard. Apparently on the previous Mig-15, it created too many technical problems to include...not that they didn't try. http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig15_2.html 2. -The temperature gauge was changed according to some photos to add a big colorful half red circle in the middle and they eliminated the colorful rainbow gauge casing around it. 3. -A large red canopy handle was added on the coaming according to some photos (very colorful and distinctive!). 4. Instrument panel rivets started having long screw driver holes instead of being flush according to some photos. 5. The huge clock instrument under the artificial horizon attained a large shiny, silver-colored frame...a reward for graduating from the Mig-15, I guess! 6. More buttons and switches were added to the upper instrument coaming. 7. Finally, the American-style six diamond gunsight reticle replaced the old British-style round circle.

I just uploaded it. Next will be the Mig-17 cockpit version of it...

View File Mig-15Bis Cockpit A Cockpit mod of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit, to create the North Korean-modified Mig-15Bis cockpit. Referenced from multiple color photos, cockpit layout diagrams and the reference "A Mig-15 to Freedom" by Korean war Mig-15 pilot veteran No Kum-Sok and a US university professor. Instruments and placards moved, eliminated, repainted and painted from scratch.Individual instruments in Russian as they were historically. Yes, it correctly has the artificial horizon correctly Soviet-color-reversed, upside down-working (I even flew an ex-Soviet fighter that had this), and correctly no mirrors. Go to this thread for the discussion and color photos of real Mig-15 cockpits. http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...=27132&st=0 It includes a gyro lead-computing gunsight as per accounts with an early style English copy round gunsight reticle made in Poland. Mod by Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway. Thanks also to Brain32 for mirror placement help and to The Trooper for the coding on making the ADI and to Tazkiller for beta testing. For SFP1/WOV/WOE/WOI. Complete credits and history in readme. Enjoy! (real life photo used in lieu of in game screenshot) Submitter ordway Submitted 04/11/2008 Category Jet Cockpits  

Here are some notes about the "upside down" ADI (artificial horizon) from a 1953 Mig-17 restauration. "Look even closer at the attitude indicator...see anything wrong? This is the correct orientation brown on the top, blue on the bottom. Apparently the Russians hadn't figured out how to gear their gyros for proper indication that you would see today on an attitude indicator. Think of it this way, you rotate around the gyro...if you lower the nose you go up into the brown. If you climb you go down into the blue. Flying with one of these gyros takes some getting used to. I can't imagine being in the clouds with a case of vertigo." He even reports his 1953 Mig-17 still using the round gunsight reticule instead of the USA six diamond one. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...%3Doff%26sa%3DN

Thanks for the input everyone. I am exhausted by this project. So Lexx, do you mean the World War 2 type of ADI that was in the earlier American jet birds? I too am concerned that I want to do a realistic Mig-15 ADI version...but I just don't know how the poor non-pilot/non expert player can fly it. I am thinking of issuing a "regular" ADI version of the Mig-15 too. Any inputs?