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Now I am flummoxed. That thinking (not yours but the interpretation) is not just Russian but much farther east-Chinese!) I'm not saying that this is impossible...but I wish there were other references to verify this Chinese jigsaw puzzle one way or another...this is positively the weirdest thing I've ever seen in aviation in thirty years if true (and it might be true). I'm flabbergasted.

Thanks for your input. Brilliant find. I put this into my Mig-15 cockpit...and it reversed all right! Now when I dive, it shows that the airplane indicator is climbing above the horizon line and when I dive it shows that the airplane is climbing above the horizon line. Are you sure...anyone join it...that this is right? I sure don't remember this opposite, reversed ADI movement together when I flew the Mig-17. This is guaranteed to cause a crash. Frankly, I have over 600 hours and an instrument rating and I simply don't believe that this is the correct movement...how many hours do you have?

So, If I send you the cockpit, can you finish modding it...and stay true to the photos (just give me credit for at least some of the work).

Ha, Ha, Ha, you're joking right? See actual photos at the beginning of this thread. and for your "but the pits are missing the upper canopy frame/rearview mirror... ": 'In addition the Mig-15 had no rearview mirror in the cockpit'" -Korean war combat Mig-15 pilot No Kum-Sok in book entitled "A Mig-15 to Freedom", No Kum-Sok, McFarland. p.102. "So, where YOUR evidence???!!!" At least I do my homework. That is a true reference. :yes:

I've been slowly adding to this cockpit for over a year. It was time to get this bugger finished for everyone.

Thanks all. It is going to be a riot to hear people screaming that "you got the artificial horizon upside down" and "why don't the mirrors work" and "That ain't Russian...that's German language!" The Mig-15Bis/Mig-17 cockpit will be uploaded as soon as I get all the documentation worked up.

It's finished and I'm happy with with it!

Thanks for your hard and long work on this. Thanks too for the tutorial on it. The Kashmir terrain was a huge missing hole in the SFP1 community until you filled it.

I love that plane and model :yes:

When I could finally afford it as a teenager, they were only making the "adventure team" line in 1/6th...pi_ _ed me off. I really liked those army jackets, helmets, backpacks, digging fox holes, using the tents, etc...It was the Vietnam war and people didn't like army stuff (really can't blame them though).

Most of it is where needed.

Beautiful! I'm druling!

These two are other people's photos. Hmmm, The numbers are right-side up (degree bars)...plus they were inversed in flight when I flew it.

Hmmm, I wonder if it will give any gamer trouble? I hope not. I flew the inverse artificial horizon in a Mig-17 at the old Jeffco airport in Colorado...did aerobatics in it but no IFR and I had an IFR rating at that time for background. I too had my head usually out of the cockpit...to tell you the truth, I barely even noted the difference in the inverse AI....it might have been a lot more if I had been flying IFR however like you said. I had been trained for advanced at Air Carrier Flight Academy for Continental Express and was pretty well trained in IFR I thought. Below is the Mig-17 I flew with the inverse horizon. Mig-17 Cockpit flying upsidedown in a roll. Ah, Ha. Now we know why the Soviets painted the sky brown.

Canadair, this is a rather interesting feature. All my color Mig-15 cockpit photos of nine different Mig-15s show this artifical horizon "upsidedown". So I think it was a standard feature for the Mig-15 and many Mig-17s. Notice lightening holes. It's interesting, that when you fly it, that you adjust almost instantly..both in the sim and in real life (from personal experience, too). It is a good question as to why they did this...bad workmanship? Too much vodka at the planning meeting? Trying to make the Communist world appear rightside up when it was upside down? Making the Mig-15 pilots fly upside down when they should be flying right side up for evasion techniques? Making defections harder by making the Soviet pilot so confused that he heads back to base? So much pollution in Communist countries that its more accurate to show the sky as brown?

Mig-15Bis/Mig-17 cockpit near completion. From multiple photos. If you look closely, you can see lightening holes on the instrument supporting frame on the left and right. Note the "steam engine" rivets on the panel and the two leather straps on the glare guard supports... What else would hold the Mig together?...or maybe they were for entertaining Soviet women after the flight? Yes, the Korean pilot Mig-15 pilot, No Kum-Sok, stated that his Korean war Mig-15 Bis gunsight reticule had "six diamonds"* -copied after the American gunsight I think. Now, let's get complicated. Two Russian Mig-15 (early?) gunsight photos with F-86s neatly plastered in the gunsight reticule shows the "ole round ring" reticule around the F-86s (copied from a British gunsight manufactured in Poland, I believe). If I were really aggressive, I could put German writing on some of the instrument panel as No Kum-Sok reports that some of his Mig-15s had. He believed that it was from German stamping machines taken from Germany after World War II. Pretty close in lineage to the ole Ta-183, eh? * Book "A Mig-15 to Freedom", No Kum-Sok .

Happy birthday! and thanks for all you do for the community! Richard "Pitts2A"

Neat! What terrain are you using?

File Name: MD-450 Ouragan Cockpit File Submitter: ordway File Submitted: 20 Mar 2008 File Updated: 21 Mar 2008 File Category: Jet Cockpits File Version: 1.00 Website: No Information A Cockpit mod of the Thirdwire Scooter's cockpit, to create the Israeli-modified Dassault MD-450 Ouragan cockpit (airframe No. 151 and later) for use in Column 5's and Pasko's incredible MD-450 Ouragan. Instruments and placards moved,eliminated and repainted. Referenced from a MD-450 manual and photographs. Yes, Those are actual radios in the instrument panel... It includes a lead computing gunsight as per Wikipedia. Israeli Ouragans entered combat on 12 April 1956 and shot down five Vampires. Mod by Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway, Uploaded with the kind permission of David (Zur) Zurawsk, Capun and Charles. For SFP1/WOV/WOE See the Readme file for install. Complete credits and history in readme. Instructions: 1-Backup your files! 2- Unzip the MD-450 Ouragan cockpit (Israeli modified) to ...\SFP1\Objects\Aircraft\MD-450\cockpit. 3-When prompted, overwrite the files. Enjoy! Click here to download this file

Hmmm, the only other picture I have is a Mystere IVA gunsight . However, I believe that it is extremely similar to the Mystere IVA's gunspanel...but it might not be. However, parts were traded between airframes and models so much according to my photos, that almost everything was done. Now, somewhere, I have a picture of a Super Mystere that had that strange yellow and red symbol (switches) basically on the left side cockpit crash coaming like I copied my Super Mystere cockpit from...as closely as the sim would allow me to. As you can see, this is an old image of my cockpit and the radios are actually located -hidden from view (I found out later by a photo) on the right side elbow horizontal panel according to my photos of the time. I might revise and release my Super Mystere panel someday anyway as an option to your beautiful cockpit since I have already almost finished it and you have met the F-86/F-100 cockpit community mod requirement for the Super Mystere. You have truly done the community a great favor by doing this Super Mystere cockpit so I did not have to start all over again on the F-86 or F-100 cockpit. Thank You. The Mystere IVA gunsight.

Nice job Wrench and crew on the reworked Israel 2 terrain! Cyprus looks nice, too. I smell a Cyprus campaign before too long from this community.

Great job!!!!! Thank you. You beat me to it! Are you doing the Mystere too? It would free me up perhaps to work on the South African terrain. I have about eight color photos of the Mystere IVA cockpits (different airframes). BTW, it doesn't really matter but here is a color pic from an actual B.2 Super Mystere. Note the color of the black and white artifical horizon in different shades of black and white.

It is now posted. The Mystere IV cockpit is next. The Mystere IV had an evolutionary cockpit of the MD-450 Ouragan, but with noticeable differences, especially in the normal view. The Mystere IV pilot has radios stuck between his legs according to multiple color photos.