Winston DoRight

Well said Von Baur and Duck. I recently repaired my computer from a complete burnout with the sole purpose of getting back to some MP in OFF. Imagine my disappointment when I took that most humbling flight with Vasco last week and realized that I would not be able to fly effectively and have any fun with the labels off. At 62 years old my eyes are a little slow to react and the only plane I actually put rounds into was a friendly! Not to mention that I was always in the clouds at altitude and could see absolutely nothing of the aircraft that the others were seeing. Nobody is going to want me near them in a shotting match, so with the TAC only settings, I had little choice but to retire. I haven't turned my gaming computer on since. I really hope I'm the only one who is not playing because of this, but it seems that may not be the case. The poll here shows the voting for aids to be rather close to the barbed wire style vote. Add the votes for all kinds of aids together and it is clear that aids are requested. I've played flight sims since the '80's and have always enjoyed the fact that "aids" makeup for the limitations of being in a simulator. Not being able to see as far in a sim or to distinguish the difference between friend and enemy at realistic ranges here is "aided" by the TAC and labels. Now you have a campaign scheduled with 2 flyable aircraft that you really can't see behind you, another case point for aids. It's going to be hard to attract new MP players or encourage an interest in online play if they need to be of advanced skill status in order to participate. I understand the need to move on in search of the realism that fulfills you leaving the less skilled ones behind, but is this the message you want to send to the rest of the OFF community? Enjoy the campaign guys. Vasco has put a lot of hard work into the missions and the aircraft you'll be flying are a challenge in themselves. Hope you all stay alive and become aces. Watch out for the ground fire. In 1916 it shouldn't have been a factor but it got me twice in the test mission. Wish I were joining you. Cheers.

A link to a decent forum would be great, do you have one? Google lists crap.

Yes, questionable and objectionable DRM had kept me from buying several nice looking software titles in the last several months. I always feel good supporting the "Good-Guys" with decent DRM policies.

Who has all the DRM info? I can't find any info on this aspect and with the crap DRM that's around these days, I'm not sure if I could purchase something like this without the full story.

I'm pretty sure g-force and headshake movements are modeled in a select few new aircraft in the ETO expansion for CFS3. Therefore it should at least be possible to carry over to OFF you would think? If you're really interested I can re-install ETO and check it out for you. If I remember correctly it's the new ME109's and Spits that have "moveable" cockpits to simulate g-force/headshakes.

Duck, put the pencils down and have a go at this. Here's the download link if you want the full quality one for printing: http://drop.io/y4iplny Sorry that's about all I could do and it's rather cluttered I'm afraid. But at least I think you can quickly look at the ingame map, then a glance at this map will tell you which of your 16 small maps to pick up. and BTW, the original map is 90% too big to use as an ingame map. When you shrink it down to an appropriate size there's no detail left as you already found out. Vasco, I know what you mean and granted that is exactly what is needed in the ingame map. To add lakes and move the towns to their correct locations would involve vast hours just flying about sketching where they really should be then drawing them onto the existing game map, then re-flying to make sure it's right. Yes, that would be an epic project for someone. I don't think I'm young enough to start on it! Perhaps ODB can improve on the ingame maps in the future? I sure hope so.

I won't be spending much time on teamspeak lately, so you can post here or PM me. Here's what I've done: I joined all the maps, yes it's big! I created grids on the new map that match the ingame map that I made for the campaign in 1916+6. I halved any noticible location differences whan making the new grids so it would match the ingame map as much as possible. I think these new maps of yours are much more accurate than the ingame map. You might be able to bring this into OFF as a period map, but that would take sizing it to match the original map plus skewing it around to match up the cities slightly and than add in the big red front line. I think this would be a great aid if you took it down to a local graphics shop and had tham print it out in 3' x 3' paper. Even a Kinkos might be able to do this. If you want the full quality version of what I've done, just let me know and I'll get it to you.

I could put the whole grid on each map, but not part of the grid on each map. That would take a lot of guestimating to do and would be innacurate to say the least. I could try to join all the maps into one, or if you could ask the creator of this if there is already one complete map. Then I could put the entire grid on the one big map. This would then correlate to the OFF ingame map.

I'm not sure what "16 maps in the flanders set" is. Could you explain that?

I will at this point withdraw my planned participation in the upcoming campaign. Just had a session with Vasco and VonGuber with TAC only and I absolutely hated it. In other words I did not enjoy flying at this level. You guys in the last 7 months I've been gone have progressed well beyond my skills. It seems like the MP crowd has gone elite in my absence and I'm just not willing to work myself into acquiring those skills so rapidly to be able to fly with you. Maybe someday, but I'm not getting any younger so I kinda doubt it. Enjoy the new campaign, see you all still around the forum. I thought I might try and organize some Saturday sessions for beginners, with TAC and labels, using the now available scripted missions so as to be able to train some new pilots who could then graduate up to your level of play but I think there would not be much interest in it?

I would take a different attitude if maybe a few of those single player DiD hotshots would show up for a multiplayer session. Then I'd take the time to print out a dozen maps and the time to try and figure out the legend and the time to learn to navigate around the inaccurate world of OFF. All this while trying to get used to flying the sim again after several months downtime with a burned out computer. But at my age if I find myself not having fun when doing something...... I just quit doing it. After all there's so many beers to be drunk, and soooo little time. Are there any new players coming to the party this campaign? BTW, the new RFC-24 campaign MP grid maps are ready for download in the Maps, Missions, and Campaigns section. Hope to see you all in the skies again and a equitable solution can be found to this subject.

View File 1916 MP grid maps for Vasco's RFC-24 campaign Here's the multiplayer grid maps for 1916. You'll need them for Vasco's 24 Squadron RFC campaign starting Jan 10, 2010. A big thanks goes to Red-Dog for developing this and for the previous MP campaign grid map. and yes ODB, there's the required copyright acknowlegement included. Submitter Winston DoRight Submitted 01/06/2010 Category Maps, Missions, and Campaigns

I'd have to pass on a campaign without the aids. I haven't flown MP since July of last year so I guess that ranks me as a "new player" again. I was hoping to have some fun but without the aids I'd have to classify it as work and at some point I might as well just go get a job if thats the case.

I had bad flickering with the older 185 series nvidia drivers. Upgrading to drivers 191.07 and then to 195.62 cured the problem.

OK, I got this figured out now. In fact I just made practice grid maps for the 1916 and 1916+6 periods that I'm flying a single player campaign in right now. Not much use for grids in single player but I just needed something to do today! I'll get with Vasco and check the dates of his new missions. I can save you the time of making new ones if these coincide with our new RFC-24 MP campaign.

It's Monday morning here and I just flew with Vasco to check out my install and teamspeak settings. All went well so I'll try and join you later today.

Considering there's a change in the location of the front lines for every year/map, will a new different map be made available for Vasco's new campaign? It is a different period than when this was made for isn't it? The front would be in a different location, right?

Where do you put the file? Aren't the maps date specific?

With the DRM that comes with that.......... there's not a price low enough to get me to buy it.

Close Encounters of the Locomotive Kind! Flying Sopwith Strutters for RNAS 3 on a balloon defense mission northeast of Amienterres on 17 June 1916 from St-Pol-sur-Mer airfield. Takeoff time 06:23 hrs. The engine and boxcars were on the field at takeoff and were still there when I returned around 07:45. Imagine my surprise when I just missed the Locomotive on my takeoff roll! I'll check the field before takeoff from an external view next time.

Count me in for the new campaign. I'm just sitting here waiting for my memory to come in the mail. Soon as it gets here I'll pop in on teamspeak to get sorted out.

I just got back from my annual "Christmas at the Movies". Saw Avatar, it was epic. I bought a ticket on the way out to see it in IMAX 3D in a few days.

Done. But you'll have to delete the external download links from my original post as I can no longer edit that post.

It's not possible to edit my posts or I would add new links with your requirements. If you want to delete the external links in my original post that would be fine. I have since uploaded the mod with OBD credit to the OFF section at combatace. I think anyone who wants the file will be able to find it easily there.