Tulsa Huns.....

[CSomers611]

Working on some D Huns of the 125th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Oklahoma Air National Guard based at Tulsa International Airport from 1973 to 1978.

During their Hun operational period, the 125th had (3) different tail stripe colors; Red, Green, and Blue. I spoke with a former 125th member who believed the color represented the Flight the aircraft was assigned to but he wasn't sure. He stated this is his belief as he recalled seeing the different color stripes on the 125th TFS at the same time....I'm still trying to work out the Tail #'s and Tail Stripes associated with them.

Still researching and tweaking as I go so it'll be a bit before these are complete.

[daddyairplanes]

this is what i have for serials 

55-2933, 55-2807, 56-3101(green), 56-3173(red), 56-3191(red), 56-3241(red), 56-3298(blue), 56-2979(green), 56-3234*, 56-3405*, 56-3705*, 56-3168*, 56-2924*, 55-3826

***F***

56-3889(green), 56-3760, 56-3846*,56-3854*

the ones with asterisk are presumed based on the dates they went to AMARC but not photo confirmed, the first two were id'd in text as Tulsa birds but no photos.

not a lot of conclusive data, but i remember now its why i didnt include them (since they did stick it out to '78)

 

and yes, when you see multiple colors on ANG birds its for the flight.

Edited Tuesday at 06:50 PM by daddyairplanes

[CSomers611]

20 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

this is what i have for serials 

55-2933, 55-2807, 56-3101(green), 56-3173(red), 56-3191(red), 56-3241(red), 56-3298(blue), 56-2979(green), 56-3234*, 56-3405*, 56-3705*, 56-3168*, 56-2924*, 55-3826

***F***

56-3889(green), 56-3760, 56-3846*,56-3854*

the ones with asterisk are presumed based on the dates they went to AMARC but not photo confirmed, the first two were id'd in text as Tulsa birds but no photos.

not a lot of conclusive data, but i remember now its why i didnt include them (since they did stick it out to '78)

 

and yes, when you see multiple colors on ANG birds its for the flight.

Thank you for this, I'll add these to my excel sheet. It's hard to find official information showing every AC assigned to a unit but I'll give it a go! 

[daddyairplanes]

32 minutes ago, CSomers611 said:

It's hard to find official information showing every AC assigned to a unit but I'll give it a go! 

I'll see your Hun and raise you an Oscar Duece

you know, every mention of the 105th Wing NY ANG points out that in 1985 they went from the smallest aircraft in the USAF (O-2A) to the largest (C-5A). but somehow, i cannot find one single damn pic of a NYANG Skymaster!!!

i even tried a musuem in that area. they had no pics either (their volunteers only went back to the C-5 days)

[Nightshade/PR]

They are a PITA to find.....but I found these 2 and the link to the site where they were.

105th Airlift Wings newly installed static display.pdf

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:18 PM by Nightshade/PR

[CSomers611]

Tweaked and re-positioned the tail-bands and ANG Shields based on photos.

The 125th TFS had an unique way of displaying the tail numbers on their D/F's as shown on this F Model:

[daddyairplanes]

15 hours ago, Nightshade/PR said:

They are a PITA to find....

i was tracking 21376, through those very pics

catch is im not 100% certain those are the right markings for th 70s (it is awfully bland, almost like a tribute to all Skymasters rahter than NYANG), im quite certain they had at least a few camo'd birds by 1985, and i can only verify 6 serials by text. to compare i have confirmed 13 by pic and 3 by text for Michigan, and 20 by pic for California

my frustration isnt that there is so few to confirm (got that issue with Maryland and Wisconsin too). its how much its hyped up yet how little its photographed. not even a comparison pic during the transition

 

EDIT: but i do have to thank you. Nosing around the NARA site after pulling up your link, saw one pic and got a hit on an Eilson bird. thats now six Oscar Dueces that will be in Arctic Red

Edited Wednesday at 01:59 PM by daddyairplanes

[CSomers611]

I think the decals look good on the family models as well!

Will start on the tail numbers soon for both the D's and F's.

[CSomers611]

While working on the Tulsa F models, I noticed there's some bleed through on the bottom of the aircraft.

I tracked it down to the 125th TFS Patch on the front fuselage under the canopy and the stars and bars on the side of the fuselage. 

This is also seen on other F models using similar decal set ups; as seen on this Missouri bird.

My solution to correct this was to put the 125th patch and star and bars on the skin and not using decals.

Progress is still ongoing.....

[Flanker562]

Still nice work though, but I was never a proponent of decals myself though, always preferred the skin. Though I admit I'm kinda interested in the F-100, looks kinda neat of a plane

[daddyairplanes]

dont forget to either move the insignia on the bottom right wing up a little or put it on skin as well. looks like theres another mesh thats cutting the bottom off.

and the Hun was rather fun. not my usual cup of tea with the usual emphasis on Nam era, but you know how i like doing the various birds after the war 

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, daddyairplanes said:

dont forget to either move the insignia on the bottom right wing up a little or put it on skin as well. looks like theres another mesh thats cutting the bottom off.

This particular insignia shows just fine in game….though I am thinking about adding it to the skin as well just simply to reduce decals.

Edited Thursday at 04:04 AM by CSomers611

[CSomers611]

On today's episode......

So apparently just because the tail and wing textures are saved in .jpg format doesn't mean the fuselage can be as well! 

everything is working fine now.......

[daddyairplanes]

sorry, forgot to warn you about that

its a problem across alot of YAP birds. got discovered when I was trying to help them reduced the install file size from like 40GB down into the 20s. and its never the whole bird needs to be bmp, just one texture out of 4 or 5

[Wrench]

(wondering aloud) if hex editing the LOD to take jpgs would be an option????

[CSomers611]

3 minutes ago, Wrench said:

(wondering aloud) if hex editing the LOD to take jpgs would be an option????

Good question....but I have a question, How do I try this?!

[daddyairplanes]

15 minutes ago, Wrench said:

(wondering aloud) if hex editing the LOD to take jpgs would be an option????

outside of a talented few, you maight as wel ask if he heard of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise 

i'd bet it is possible. but its not in my skillset

[Flanker562]

I had some japanese hex editor called stir120 and I think I don't have it. What you need to do is find the 3d model of the plane, and look for the textures (it shows up as text, in a format that you gotta scroll to find the textures. You simply text edit the entries (carefully, or you might mess it up) for the model to accept new textures. I did that for Flanker 2.51 back in the day for custom textures on missiles and other stuff. it's recommended to back up the files. I'm sure a Google search will turn up Hex Editor and such to do it.

[Wrench]

I was get XVI32 hex editor, it's free and pretty easy to use

you do a 'search' (I doubt these old LODs would be in Unicode edit-- they're not) and just hand replace the 'bmp' tag with 'jpg -that what I do. Watch the spacing of the letters -- that's super critical!! -- Then save, and close. Convert the other skins to jpg, is suggested.

If you want, I can give it a shot and let you know in a few hours (the islands of Indonesia and Australia aren't going anywhere anytime soon!!)

[Wrench]

8 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

outside of a talented few, you maight as wel ask if he heard of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise 

 

Actually, yes I have  

[Wrench]

a quick question -- 

what is the date on the lod you're using??? Mine is 2/8/2007. All the skin maps ARE bmps, for the 3 skins* I have. They are taken from the "YAP RW - Phase One 2025 REPACK 2.0"

Unless I have the wrong version of the mod ?? ?? !!!

*612th TFS Det. 1, 6234th TFW and 4510th CCTW

 

[daddyairplanes]

csomers will have to answer for certain, but im betting its the lod i released here with the ANG pack and Tracor mod.  dated 2/9/2007. truth be told, probably grabbed from teh install i set up while they were getting things fixed up

[CSomers611]

18 minutes ago, Wrench said:

a quick question -- 

what is the date on the lod you're using??? Mine is 2/8/2007.

My lod date is 2/9/2007. I got it from daddyairplanes ANG Pack.

30 minutes ago, Wrench said:

I was get XVI32 hex editor, it's free and pretty easy to use

you do a 'search' (I doubt these old LODs would be in Unicode edit-- they're not) and just hand replace the 'bmp' tag with 'jpg -that what I do. Watch the spacing of the letters -- that's super critical!! -- Then save, and close. Convert the other skins to jpg, is suggested.

 

Like this?

 

[CSomers611]

I apparently got it to work!

Thanks @Wrench for this!

[Wrench]

No sweat!! Looks like we finished about the same time. Once you get used to using one, there's lots of things that can be fiddled with!! Pilot, drop tanks (NOT built in to the LOD) etc.

Another thing I noticed, is it has a RADICAL pull/drift to the left on the take off roll under autopilot. And it has the (in)famous 'tail stall' (seen on many ww2 birds from 'the other place') Has anyone tried to figure those out??? I have a vague memory of using the 3w 100D FM and fixing a lot of things, way back in the Stone Age (tm)

As to the lod fix**, I'd let Ralph know, he is always glad to have improvements and fixes to the Product. And he's a good guy!

 

**12 meg bitmaps!!! jeeeeZZZZ!!!!