Australia goes with Fullbacks?

[Silverbolt 104]

Australia considers SU-34 for naval defence Bomber shipbuilding and greater number of submarines in the plans Australians

 

 

11.01.2008

In Australia, with the arrival to the power of a new government, the strategical options taking for the old administration have moved waters of the area of the defense. Relative revelations to the problems with the modernization of the frigates of type OHP had been not only made, as in declaration to the press the new minister of the defense has come to give some ideias on what he thinks for the future of the Australian Armed Forces. The Armed Forces of Australia, have in the last times folloied com.cuidado and not without concern the movements of countries of its region, that go in the direction of if more seting with sophisticated equipment each time therefore in the Asian southwest, sea as of Indonesia, Malaysia and same Singapura they add powerful units to its staff and in those waters they are gone to find later or more early to be able them emergent of India and China. Pressure on Washington Even so the recent affirmations or intentions of the responsible Australians are seen by some analysts as only resulted of the arrival to the power of a new o government with necessity to mark the difference, they do not leave to pass unobserved the new possibilities that at least in theory if open it industria military man in that region of the world. Considering the strategical necessities of Australia and its defensive positioning, jointly with its enormous coast, Australia concluded that the operation of aircraft carrier does not make direction, for that is more than moved away the possibility from the country to come to operate such type of naval way. Australia intends to substitute of form effective the F-111 fighter aircrafts that are in the end of its useful life and at the same time to add to a substitute potential the use possibility as adequate aircraft to the control of maritime areas, equipping the Air Force with an aircraft with capacity for naval operations but based in land. Between the aventadas possibilities it is the possibility of Australia if to candidatar to the purchase of the F-22 super-hunting that the United States until the o moment reserve exclusively for its Armed Forces. The recent order of aircraft F-18C/D is considered only as a intermédia purchase until the a acquisition of new ways. Alegadamente as form of pressure on its traditional North American allies, whom already they had affirmed that they will not venderão the F-22, Australia will have not officially suggested Washington that the country does not discard the possibility to acquire Russian armaments for its Armed Forces. In this in case that, the weapon most interesting for Australia is the based naval fighter aircraft in known land as Su-32FN and more recently rebaptizado Su-34. Force of 12 submarines Between the other Australian options that estrategas consider, are the proposals of the Submarine Institute of Australia, a sanctioned institution and that it counts on some of the main submarinistas of the country, that explain that Australia must clearly harness its defense through an increase of its naval capacities and in special the submarine weapon. In this aspect analysts of the Australian press they absolutely consider as insufficient the number of submarines presently to the service and consider that at the very least Australia must operate to substitute the actuais six submarines of the classroom Collins a fleet of 12 units, in a region where in 2025 it will have about 150 modern submarines in operation. Nuclear it will have to be rank of side to enhance that even so the new Australian authorities consider important the defense of Australian waters, and the possibility of construction of moved submarines the nuclear energy has not been completely abandoned it is remote. The reason previsibly arrests with the fact of the submarine force of the country not to be a force of escort of "forces task" but yes a patrol force, where the speed is not excellent and the conventional submarine actuais to be quieter and more difficult to detect that the nuclear submarines. Together to this reality they are facts as not the existence in Australia of a naval nuclear industria and the prohibitive cost that the maintenance of a force of a set of ten of ships of the type would have more than. Although it is probably a classroom of conventional ships, the submarine futures of Australia will have to be manufactured in the in agreement country and Australian specifications, data the necessities of very specific only Australia to be.

 

Source: "Área Militar"

 

what do you think?!?

Edited January 12, 2008 by Silverbolt

[sparkomatic 7]

sweet!

[MigBuster 2,884]

what do you think?!?

 

 

"Quote: The recent order of aircraft F-18C/D is considered only as a intermédia purchase until the a acquisition of new ways."

 

Thought they had ordered F/A-18Fs??

 

They have been up in arms about having to put up with getting ONLY the F-35 and NOT the F-22 - so I'm not sure any SU would really be in their thinking unless it was for Eval .

 

Also if someone actually supplied them to Aus they would have to fit it into an Airforce geared to Western maintenence tech only!

[Falcon161 3]

hmmm...interesting. I think if Australia bought and used the Su-34's it would be really cool! Plus I think if they buy them they will more than likely give them western avionics and arm them with western weaponry.

[+Gocad 26]

hmmm...interesting. I think if Australia bought and used the Su-34's it would be really cool! Plus I think if they buy them they will more than likely give them western avionics and arm them with western weaponry.

 

Personally I think the Fullback is a sweet looking aircraft and probably is quite capable.

Still, something tells me that this won't be as cheap as some may think. How many Fullbacks have been produced so far? A handful?

Besides, I doubt it will be that easy to adapt the Su-34 to western avionics and weaponry.

 

I call this whole thing extremely unlikely to happen. How credible is this source anyway?

Edited January 12, 2008 by Gocad

[marlin 4]

Where did you get that from?? Haven't heard about this. I highly doubt it will happen although it makes more sense then F-18Fs to replace F-111s.

[Viggen 644]

Creditable source please.

 

It would be cool though. Since the VVS is using the Su-34 to replace the F-111's communist brother, the Su-24, it makes some sense.

[Silverbolt 104]

http://www.areamilitar.net/noticias/noticias.aspx?nrnot=485

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Interesting article. It'd be good if it were true, but we had a hell of a time trying to convince a multitude of Defence review comissions, Senate comittees and Governmental panels about the capabilities of the Su-30 series that I doubt they'd be looking to the Su-34. I'd very much like to be wrong though...

 

Personally, I'd love to see it happen because there are two preveiling attitudes in our defence industry at the moment that are cold war legacies which are: 1. That only the US makes cutting edge platforms/technology and 2. That Russian technology would only bring relative capabilities, not leading edge (in other words, they're crap). With the departure of the previous government, maybe they would be considering all options (they said recently that there would be a thorough review of all defence acquisitions of the past 2 years) as it's known that the new government is quite receptive to the ADF and the civilian thinktanks and the many complaints about the previous administrations behaviour, particularly in the stiffling of competative tendering process and making secret deals that were too political rather than wise. And I think they are starting to realise that investing in development processes don't necessarily yield the associated awards. This is why the Govt's reconsidering the acquisition of the F/A-18Fs and options to assess the F-15 Strike Eagle are known to be back on the table.

 

Personally, I think the Su-34 fulfills more the soon to be vacant F-111 role more than the F-15 for many reasons, however, purchasing and fitting the associated western avionics (not to mention weapons systems) to allow for inter-operability with existing RAAF platforms would be VERY expensive, technically complex and in all likelihood, cost prohibative . The F-15 would be able to operate with existing RAAF aircraft with minimal alterations but with slightly less capability (I'm talking of the platform, not the weapons systems.) with it's shorter legs and minimal stealthing. Then again, we don't use stealth now...

 

Either way, it all comes down to this: We already have a plane called the Wedgetail (the new 737-800 AWACS platforms) and we don't have another eagles AFAIK, so an F-15 without an Eagle type name is no eagle (Sorry Israel, this includes you too! ) on the other hand... We're the only place on the planet where you're find the Platypus, so it seems fitting that the home of the Platypus should fly the Platypus!

 

 

Anyways, that's just my stickybeak 2 cents...

[+Gocad 26]

We're the only place on the planet where you're find the Platypus, so it seems fitting that the home of the Platypus should fly the Platypus!

 

Now that sounds like a reasonable argument in favor of the Su-34.

[JediMaster 451]

"F-22 super-hunting"

 

I just love that mistranslation!

[Silverbolt 104]

"F-22 super-hunting"

 

I just love that mistranslation!

 

ahahahahha

Babel fish!

[Guest CW2. Wells]

They have been up in arms about having to put up with getting ONLY the F-35 and NOT the F-22

 

I don't think the F-22 was up for sale.

[sparkomatic 7]

I just saw an aviation magazine at a bookstore here...

 

There was a scale model of an F-22A with the Japanese "meatball" on the wings...I think we have at least one customer waiting

 

We would be silly not to offer the F-22 on the market...especially if we dont tell the world it is the "export" model...if it is so secret, how will they know they didnt get the "homeland" version

[+Gocad 26]

We would be silly not to offer the F-22 on the market...especially if we dont tell the world it is the "export" model...if it is so secret, how will they know they didnt get the "homeland" version

 

Something tells me that such an 'export' model would probably cost as much as the USAF version. Besides, the Japanese tend to equip their jets with domestic technology anyway, so I doubt that in the end there would be much difference between these two versions.

[JediMaster 451]

The problem is Congress can't keep its mouth shut. You can't tell the Japanese and Aussies you're giving them the full version because Congress will whine. If you tell Congress "Shh, keep it on the DL, but it's a downgraded export version", well...they'll blab in public in less time than you can say "blowhard" and then it's all over.

[+Jarhead1 27]

I agree with you on that one. This thread is about Australian Fullbacks folks, not Japanese F-22s or F-35s, lets get it back on the subject.

Edited January 17, 2008 by Jarhead1

[+Gocad 26]

But Japanese F-22 sounds more realistic than Australian Fullback.

[sparkomatic 7]

Of course it would be embarrassing when the Japanese fix the software glitches and make it better...

[+Jarhead1 27]

I dont think I like the idea of ANY far eastern country having OUR top of the line aircraft especially a country we went to war with, its like the idea of selling Iraq F-16s down the line....hmmmmm wonder whats gonna happen there??? we are gonna get our own birds used against us, and I am not necessarilly meaning Japan, but it seems like we sell our stuff to a country and it blows up in our faces, hence IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN both... we sold Iraq chemical weaps and trained the Taliban and Bin Laden so I am leary

[+Gocad 26]

From this perspective it would be foolish to sell anything to any foreign nation, after all, who can predict what the world will be like in 10 or 20 years....

[+Jarhead1 27]

Just my opinion, thats all

[echoco 0]

I thought the Japanese aircraft ATD-X or something was an own design with thrust vectoring and stealth similar to F-22 not actually an F-22. I don't think F-22 was release to Japan because of security risk, how Japan is only a spit away from China. I read somewhere China stole tech through Japan before.

 

If going by the logic of not selling weapons to past enemies then I'm for banning weapon sales to UK, Fance, Germany, Italy, Spain, Cananda..... not being sarcastic I just really don't wanna see these coutnries benefit from high tech us weapons hahahaha

 

Back to the SU-34 I don't think its practical, even if RAAF fit them with Western avionics there's the matters of spare wheels, tyres, pylons, external fuel tanks, wires and cables.. etc that needs to be bought from a different source than the curent fleet. Assuming that RAAF SU-34 uses western engines, thats where I see the main logistic problem.

 

Anyone know if integrating Western targetting systems with Russian flight control and navigation been tried anywhere?

[+Jarhead1 27]

I think we did all that for the MiGs we "aquired" that they had whereever that had them, but for all I know they left all the Russian stuff in em, I honestly dont know, just a uneducated guess, lol

[JediMaster 451]

I thought the Japanese aircraft ATD-X or something was an own design with thrust vectoring and stealth similar to F-22 not actually an F-22. I don't think F-22 was release to Japan because of security risk, how Japan is only a spit away from China. I read somewhere China stole tech through Japan before.

 

If going by the logic of not selling weapons to past enemies then I'm for banning weapon sales to UK, Fance, Germany, Italy, Spain, Cananda..... not being sarcastic I just really don't wanna see these coutnries benefit from high tech us weapons hahahaha

 

Back to the SU-34 I don't think its practical, even if RAAF fit them with Western avionics there's the matters of spare wheels, tyres, pylons, external fuel tanks, wires and cables.. etc that needs to be bought from a different source than the curent fleet. Assuming that RAAF SU-34 uses western engines, thats where I see the main logistic problem.

 

Anyone know if integrating Western targetting systems with Russian flight control and navigation been tried anywhere?

 

Yes. Israel has done a substantial amount of work in this area, with MiG-21 upgrades and India's Su-30s being the most notable.