DREAMS COMES TRUE!

[+X RAY 83]

First compliments,my deepest, to everyone included in the Raptor development program.

Your work is more than appreciated!!!!

Simply now dreams come true!

 

The Raptor joins my WoE just little time ago and the generator brings the su-37 terminator against it.

So what better than this to test it!!!

Let's see what happened:

 

MISSILE TESTING:

 

 

 

Terminator inbound

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Hasta el Amraam Baby!"

 

ACM TESTING:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Raptor strikes back

 

So i think that Terminator is only Schwarzy and not that plane name!

 

from today the forecast says that Flanker rain begins worldwide!

[fougamagister 24]

This is not a true Su-37 Terminator right ? so you're hunting a 20 years old Flanker with a Raptor ? mmh.. If so, I think you're cheating !

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Here we go... I can see the next 6 months being Flanker hunting season... Great... now I gotta get some of my nerdy mates to pink out Gerald's Su-47 to restore the balance to it's natural order!! :smile:And anyway, Terminator's a stupid name for a fighter! It's so cheesy! :yes: And lets not forget that Raptors are extinct... HAHA!!

[+X RAY 83]

I think that Su 37 must try to hunt Sarah Connor than trying a 22!

 

perhaps in that su 37 I've changed all the avionics to modernized em' like the mig 29 ovt and the use of r77 missiles,and it's not bad but nothing like the Raptor

[Canadair 16]

to pink out Gerald's Su-47 to restore the balance to it's natural order!! :

 

finally; I can be one of the "geeky ones" for the occasion

Edited February 5, 2008 by Canadair

[Falcon161 3]

Yep we need the S-47 Berkut to teach these Raptors a lesson lol! And when you are a member of the sukhoi family ya dont need thrust vectoring to be maneuverable!

[+Dave 2,322]

Yep we need the S-47 Berkut to teach these Raptors a lesson lol! And when you are a member of the sukhoi family ya dont need thrust vectoring to be maneuverable!

 

 

Guys that Berkut, you all keep harping about would not equalize a damn thing. It did not have TVC, no stealth features and the swept-forward wing improves anti-stall characteristics thus allowing a lower minimum speed and tighter turns. (The latter is what it has going for it.) It is vastly inferior to the F-22 in every way. It wouldn't be much of a fight, it would be a target.

[+Dave 2,322]

Infact, the Typhoon, Rafael, and Gripens are 2, 3, and 4 respectively. The only fighter in the Soviet inventory what would come close to a good fight would be the SU-30's with TVC. But even they are not deploying those in numbers, no money, and it still lacks a radar, ECM and a stealth capability of the F-22. Hate to burst your bubbles but the F-22 is THE fighter in the world today. Anyone who says other wise is in denial and I can take a guess why too.

[Falcon161 3]

Where there is a will there is a way is what I say. But I am Still enjoying the hell out of flying the F-22 though!

[+Dave 2,322]

Where there is a will there is a way is what I say.

 

You can't will something that is sitting in hangar in Russia collecting dust.

[Rambler 1-1 9]

I donno... I think the F-35 is going to be tomorrow's "fighter of today". Unless I've been wrongly believing that it is just as manuverable and capable as the -22, but with weapons load/range(?) traded for VTOL.

 

oh, and by the way, THE RAPTOR ROCKS OUT LOUD!!! YEAH!!!

[+Dave 2,322]

I donno... I think the F-35 is going to be tomorrow's "fighter of today". Unless I've been wrongly believing that it is just as manuverable and capable as the -22, but with weapons load/range(?) traded for VTOL.

 

oh, and by the way, THE RAPTOR ROCKS OUT LOUD!!! YEAH!!!

 

Well JSF Aggie would be the man to talk to about it since he works on it. The jury is out on it I think. I want to see it loaded with weps.

[Rambler 1-1 9]

there is one inbound, right?

[+Dave 2,322]

there is one inbound, right?

 

I am talking about the real thing. JSF Aggie works on it for real.

[+Dave 2,322]

[Rambler 1-1 9]

well I know the REAL one's inbound (unless it's a lie like the apollo landings ) but is it even possible to make one for SF?

 

mind you, I'd be perfectly happy with a "no" awnser- the F-22 is that good!

Edited February 6, 2008 by Rambler 1-1

[GreyCap 0]

And lets not forget that Raptors are extinct... HAHA!!

 

I don't think the F-22 was named after the dinosaur (I might be wrong), but after the category covering birds of prey.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/raptor

 

I've yet to see any official USAF images linking the F-22 with the dinosaur. But I have seen this official USAF picture;

 

 

Not trying to be a smart ass, but let's all know what the name of our new baby stands for! :)

Edited February 6, 2008 by GreyCap

[+X RAY 83]

Now the Raptor is simply the STATE OF THE ART

-I think it have just one thing negative: the cost per unit

During the 80's in the Iron Curtain years the Armament course was a daily reality,after the crash of the Berlin's wall and Russian Glasnost and Perestrojka the military programs were slowed down a bit.

Nowadays after 9/11 this lack must be covered.

Raptor demonstrates it's largest capabilities during it's test or for ex. I've read about a couple of Raptor that intercepted and "destroyed"a group of f 15's during a trial and the interception was a surprise for Raptor's pilots just like a Real simulation they weren't informed about the presence of others "bird of prey"'s.

When the Su 27 broke the darkness and became visible in the western side was outstanding for manouvers,weapons payload (10 aam's),dimensions etc...Su 37 terminator increase a lot of that caratheristics.

But now terms like 5th generation,supercruise,payload,last generation radars,cockipts and so many others are joined in just one word:

RAPTOR

[JediMaster 451]

The Berkut was the Russian version of the X-29...it was an FSW tech demonstrator made from parts of existing planes (in their case a Flanker).

 

I'd like to see the MiG 1.44 in production version, actually!

[sparkomatic 7]

F-22...bah! Who needs that? Cowards with your fancy-technology...we are men...

[+X RAY 83]

I think many wants it but a few have it maybe Israel, Korea and Japan are out now but they tried....

Berkut yes,was only a demonstrator like x-29 than Raptor tecnology is one of the fruits of the x-31 program .Mig 1-144 seems a 4 gen more similar than a bad typhoon copy,maybe can have a sweet flight but remains old.

I think materials used in the raptor and Lightning 2 or in the European last fighters are more advanced than the Russian ones

Example,rivets! In western rivets and joints are flushed and streamlined on Russian planes are thick like on ww2 or before!

First time I saw a Mig 29 I've said:"Oh,my God what hell is it?" looking through photos seems flushed but on reality were horrible.

Its a Cold war Icon western want the state of the art,the essence of a plane in fact the service life of a single plane is more longer than eastern counterparts oriented only in something to duel against and mass producted.

another silly ex is rubber!

look at the oxy masks and helmets lightweight and resistant in the west and made on plastic ,heavy,with a sort of waxed canvas for rubber replacement in eastern (rubber was expensive)

or eastern disposals like automatic ejection seats(yak 38) canopy used for ejection windscreens (mig 21 early) in practice a trap for the pilot, aluminum helmets.

Reports of soviet pilot with cuts and scratches on the forehead and eyebrows, or nose caused by the oxy mask during ejection.

the only thing that really works is the k36 d seat!

Now I'm curious to see a Raptor counterpart!

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Guys that Berkut, you all keep harping about would not equalize a damn thing. It did not have TVC, no stealth features and the swept-forward wing improves anti-stall characteristics thus allowing a lower minimum speed and tighter turns. (The latter is what it has going for it.) It is vastly inferior to the F-22 in every way. It wouldn't be much of a fight, it would be a target.

 

Jedi's right. USAFMTL's rrrrr.... rrrrrr... he's not wrong either. It was just a low airspeed demonstrator and proof of concept vehicle. Most of the materials in it weren't being used in Russian production aircraft at the time. I was thinking along the lines of more of a fictional Grabacr, Ace Combat style Berkut. But I was clutching at straws and Berkut is the closest thing out there (in the downloads section) that could be rushed into the game that represents an advanced Russian fighter that could possibly (that's a BIG 'if'). Even if it could only possibly fit a pair of IRMs and a pair of SAHM/AHMs in it's proposed weapons bays.

 

Now an F-22 vs F-23 rematch... that's something I'd like to see.

 

 

PS, Not meaning to be egging you on Dave, but the one weakness the F-22 hardliners hardly ever seem to mention is it's MASSIVE, MASSIVE cost. MASSIVE. But it is the first production stealth fighter on the planet, and it's technologies are all new and SotA so you have to expect that. I'm interested to see how much cheaper stealth technologies become after the F-35 starts showing up in numbers.

 

That and you guys won't share your toys! Now an JASDF F-22 would be sweet...

[JediMaster 451]

I remember when there was talk of cancelling the F-22 it was brought up time and again that it would directly impact the costs of the F-35 program because F-22 development, paid for in that program, would be "gimmes" to the F-35 program and help keep it cheaper. Cancelling the f-22 meant the F-35 would have to pay for those developments.

Now instead the main problem the F-35 faces now is...cost. There's really no doubt they'll get the F-35 series working well and combat effective. The question is how much will the unit cost be and will the various countries that have pledged to buy X number be ABLE to buy that many? If they don't, the unit cost will increase more, leading to even fewer bought, which will increase the cost more, and the circle continues...

[Longestpants 1]

F-22...bah! Who needs that? Cowards with your fancy-technology...we are men...

 

Kazakhstan Glorious Air Force? Perfect compliment to catapult artillery.

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

The question is how much will the unit cost be and will the various countries that have pledged to buy X number be ABLE to buy that many? If they don't, the unit cost will increase more, leading to even fewer bought, which will increase the cost more, and the circle continues...

 

I was thinking more in terms of economies of scale too. The F-22 and F-35 share a lot of the construction materials and method used to build both, so developing the infrastructure for the second aircraft, or the second generation is slightly cheaper since you don't have to redesign the wheel the second time round. Plus, the more you build, the cheaper the unit price eventually becomes. Also, there were no other stealth aircraft being built when the F-22 started production (excepting the B-2 program maybe?), where as there is with the F-35, so there will be a ready supply of RAM materials, specific composite products etc and more importantly, there's much more of a market for these materials since many nations are trialling them with their existing conventional aircraft (ie, India, France, Russia) and they're not as 'classified' as they once were. This wasn't the case ten years ago.

This, IMHO, is why I think Russia has been so successful in marketing the Su-30 family since their main arguments: "readily available parts/no specialised maintenance, comparable capability, low comparable cost, RCS augmentation available" have shown that you can develop a nation's capability without having to massively develop infrastructure or rely on one nation so heavily or even be at the absolute cutting edge to counter a perceived threat. Its not about "This is better than the F-22", it sorta shows that you don't have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a project for a generational advantage (or equilibrium) . You know, parity of capability for the discerning (poorer or otherwise tightarsed) nation...

 

Nevertheless, I'm still not going to rush out to place my cash on a Flanker for the next Flanker vs Raptor fight. But it does explain why they're pretty popular when you consider the number of Mig-21s, 29s, F-15s and F-16s still in service around the world.