Accident aboard Russian submarine kills 20

[+Dave 2,322]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27609821

[column5 63]

Their submarine safety program leaves something to be desired.

[Jeremiah Weed 0]

Their military safety program leaves something to be desired.

 

Fixed it for you

 

For every deadly submarine/aircraft mishap they have that we hear about, think about the one that aren't as newsworthy that we don't hear about...

[gbnavy61 1]

If we're lucky, maybe they'll sink all their own stuff before anyone else has to.

 

Sorry for the crew, though.

[Jeremiah Weed 0]

If we're lucky, maybe they'll sink all their own stuff before anyone else has to.

 

Sorry for the crew, though.

 

Or sell it to countries we'll actually have to fight...

 

But yeah, I feel bad for the crew

[+Gepard 11,299]

Accidents can happen. And it happen in all armies and navies around the world.

If i think how many man we lost during my military time by accidents and how many people we lose today, then we have no real reason to blame he russians.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Gepard

[+ghostrider883 526]

Rumours are afloat that this is the same Akula class sub that is to be leased to the indian navy next year.

[+Dave 2,322]

Accidents can happen. And it happen in all armies and navies around the world.

If i think how many man we lost during my military time by accidents and how many people we lose today, then we have no real reason to blame he russians.

 

No one is blaming the Russians Gepard, but you have to admit, they have a more accident prone military. It is a well documented fact.

[macelena 1,070]

RIP. My dad once told me about Navy:

"A ship fit for combat duty may sink or not, but a ship unfit for combat will allways sink"

 

You will allways keep making the job the best you know how to, no matter the lack of armour in your Humvee,

or if your NBQ suit is as effective in Chernobyl as being naked, or the main gun of your ship shot down a kamikaze

[+lindr2 19]

Lenta.ru:

 

'...17 civilians and three seamen perished on November, 8 on the Russian atomic submarine, passing tests in the Japanese sea. The troop landing of freona which was poison twenty persons happened as a result of unauthorized wearing-out of the system of fire warning. A 21 man was hospitalized.'

 

Unfortunately, most lost - civil engineers, developers of submarine boats - it is a hardness replenishable loss.

 

My chief in 198_-198_ it was such civilian engineer on submarine, once or twice they were on edge of death, one time almost had a collision with American submarine, then made a mistake and fail on a maximum depth. Then in 198_ an incident happened a year with the nuclear reactor of one of submarines. Part of territory of military baset, including a city beach were infected. Not wishing to risk the health wife and children he retired from work and left on other end of country.

[+Gepard 11,299]

I see in the first way the man, the sailor who has lost his life. A sailor is a comrade of all sailors around the world. It is sad for each single lost man, wheter he is russian, german, english, french, american or something else. Its a reason to morn, especially in time of peace. They man who died had all parents, wifes, children, friends. They were humans and they died caused by a technical mailfunction in a ship what was on a test trail. Accidents happen and accidents cost human lifes.

[+Dave 2,322]

I see in the first way the man, the sailor who has lost his life. A sailor is a comrade of all sailors around the world. It is sad for each single lost man, wheter he is russian, german, english, french, american or something else. Its a reason to morn, especially in time of peace. They man who died had all parents, wifes, children, friends. They were humans and they died caused by a technical mailfunction in a ship what was on a test trail. Accidents happen and accidents cost human lifes.

 

I am not disputing that fact. The fact remains if the Russians would improve their safety practices, these incidents are less likey to occur. Things happen, yes, but when they happen often, you need to start looking at what you are doing and how do it better. Then you wouldn't have to answer the questions of the loved ones on why is this happening....again.

[Fubar512 1,350]

There's an old saying that I often find myself repeating to recreational boaters who ask my advice in equipping a boat for offshore fishing or cruising. And that is: "If given even the slightest opportunity, the sea will always do its damnedest to kill you. Out there, halfassed all but guarantees full-dead "

[+Dave 2,322]

These 2 lists are total losses of subs between the US and Russia after WWII.

 

 

С-117 (1952)

М-200 Месть (Mest) (1956)

М-256 (1957)

К-19 (1961)

Б-37 (1962)

К-3 (1962)

К-129 (1968)

С-80 (1969)

К-8 (1970)

К-56 (1973)

С-178 (1981)

К-429 (1983)

К-131 (1984)

К-219 (1986)

К-278 Комсомолец (Komsomolets) (1989)

К-141 Курск (Kursk) (2000)

К-159 (2003)

 

 

Almost 600 dead since the end of WWII until now.

 

Compared the to the US.

 

USS Cochino (SS-345) (6 - one from Cochino 6 from Tusk during rescue)

USS Scorpion (SSN-589) (99)

USS Stickleback (SS-415) (0)

USS Thresher (SSN-593) (129)

 

That speaks volumes about safety.

[+drdoyo 2]

I am not disputing that fact. The fact remains if the Russians would improve their safety practices, these incidents are less likey to occur. Things happen, yes, but when they happen often, you need to start looking at what you are doing and how do it better. Then you wouldn't have to answer the questions of the loved ones on why is this happening....again.

 

 

Well, as far as fire extinguishing systems go, I've seen OURS go off like that. Two times (in one months time) while in the INANG and once in the KYANG. The first time we had 10 F-16s in the hanger, 8 of them ready for a deployment and getting the final buttoning up. Foam was 3 feet deep everywhere, including inside the jets (very bad). The last time a C-130 was midway up it's landing gear pods in faom and water.

[Silverbolt 104]

R.I.P

 

Some weeks ago i was watching at HBO one Russian Submarine Movie with Harrison Ford that he's an Soviet SSM commander and it had one problem at Nuclear Reactor, but they could be saved if they stoped at one NATO's base somewhere over the england.

Somebody know its name?

 

i think it was based in a real Story, but i don't remembe rwich was the submarine's name...

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

K-19

[Silverbolt 104]

K-19

Thanks Blackbird

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

no prob saw the movie a year ago, but back to topic the new russian president reacted different then his predecessors, cause he informed the rest of the world about this accident.

[+Gepard 11,299]

Dont forget the human factor. There must be a reason, why the fire suppresion system was activated. Perhaps one of the sailors has smoked.

Some days ago in germany a traveler bus burned out because someone has smoked on the toilett, result 20 death.

Edited November 10, 2008 by Gepard

[+lindr2 19]

Dont forget the human factor. There must be a reason, why the fire suppresion system was activated. Perhaps one of the sailors has smoked.

Some days ago in germany a traveler bus burned out because someone has smoked on the toilett, result 20 death.

 

I asked my chief, man which more than 5 years floated on submarine, to comment on a situation. He said:

 

' I know this submarine, when left from a military base it began to build. From 1991 years on it no works were conducted at long time, but now it finished building. When the tests of submarine boat go, it usually is strongly overloaded, each the block of equipment is accompanied the representative of developer. When I in 198_ year participated a year in the tests of submarine boat it was more there 500! man at a norm 140.

 

Smoking on a boat is CATEGORICALLY FORBIDDEN, IMPOSSIBLE, THAT SOMEONE DID IT! Repeat, It is absolutely Impossible!

 

For suppression of fire used mixture on the basis of freona, which TAKES away OXYGEN very Quickly. Compartments are automatically closed and can be opened ONLY Since there will BE NO OXYGEN In Sections.

 

Every member of crew carries at itself the device of individual defence with the supply of oxygen on 10! minutes of activity. If a man will lie down on the floor and will not move, oxygen will be enough on 20-30 minutes. Time to put on a device 10-20 seconds.

 

Amount of lost (50%) two reason is possible.

 

1)people were badly trained.

 

2)Probably 20-25% devices of individual defence were not in good condition.'

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

@ Dave russian sailer even captains have normaly two jobs, one on the boat and one another to earn enough money to survive, cause russian mitlitary is one of the worth payed jobs.

[+lindr2 19]

Men, i said again 17 for 20 death IS CIVILIAN ENGINEERS making final tests of new submarine!

Salary of such specialist diring tests ~ 20.000-25.000 Roubles = $750-$900 on month.

On submarine was 200-220 civilian engineers and 70-80 military.

 

Read my post more carefully http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...rt=#entry212717

Sorry for BAD english...

Edited November 10, 2008 by lindr2

[+Gepard 11,299]

Lindr, you say smoking is onboard of a submarine stricly forbitten. I think it is true.

But there is already the human factor. I served out my army time in late 80th in the GDR (East Germany) in a helicopter squadron. Friends of me served at Laage Airbase as Su-22 technicians. They told me that when soviet pilots delivered new Su-22 at Laage, my friends had to clean the cockpits and in nearly one third of all cases they found soviet brand cigarette butts, although it was strictly forbitten to smoke.

[+lindr2 19]

You know nothing about life on a submarine boat, smells are there felt much stronger what the opened air. It is forbidden the members of crew to have at itself any smelling objects. For an eau-de-cologne can punish also.