rookie 0 Posted August 1, 2009 There is NO phase 3 torrent! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bendit 0 Posted August 1, 2009 I think some people are worrying for nothing. You can also google "windows 8 torrent" and 'appear' to get similar results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptroyce 0 Posted August 1, 2009 My internet/computer savvy is limited..so if this a stupid question... How can people d/l BHAH from net if you have to buy a disc from OBD? Is it that someone bought a copy and then lets others d/l off their PC? If so, can't OBD put some kind of code on the disc, that would make it non replicable? Or something of that nature? Royce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted August 1, 2009 I think some people are worrying for nothing. You can also google "windows 8 torrent" and 'appear' to get similar results. It is my hope that you are right. You probably are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Winder 32 Posted August 1, 2009 To SCSG1 I believe you posted in this thread and it was deleted? Well I cannot tell you who deleted it... as I have no idea but... I said: "Its only rotten from a user whose perspective is skewed towards feeling like a thief and then possibly acting like one." My comment pertains to DRM not the quality of ROF or how shakey its DRM is (I have had issues too and I allude to them) or whether you believe the product is a rip off. 'Its' equals DRM 'Its' does not equal ROF My response to you in email thus: Hello Mike, The line quoted is in reference to peoples feelings about DRM and making them feel untrustworthy. It is not about the quality of a product, any product, but about the imposition of DRM and ones reaction to it- "oh so they think I am a thief and not trustworthy?" sort of gut wrench reaction - we all experience it in one way or another. I would not care to comment at all on the quality of ROF at all and it has no bearing on the topic in hand. HTH WM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Polovski 460 Posted August 1, 2009 SGCSG1 those are general comments there, that's how I read them. Basically I read it as, if you object to DRM it makes you think that other people MAY think YOU are a thief because you object. i.e. Not you are a thief, but it makes you wary of disagreeing in case people say you are.. Forums are not always the best place to take correct meanings from comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buddye 1 Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) The bottom line to me is all flight sim delelopers must aggressively look at ways to protect the software from thieves. What ever way selected will have some impact which is unfortunate. Some people will not agree with whatever method is selected which is unfortunate. The problem is real, IMHO. Protection from thieves must be a high priority for all developers. Time will tell if ROF's method worked or failed by how long they stay in business. Everyone votes with their pocket books. Edited August 1, 2009 by buddye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SGCSG1 0 Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) To SCSG1 I believe you posted in this thread and it was deleted?Well I cannot tell you who deleted it... as I have no idea but... I said: "Its only rotten from a user whose perspective is skewed towards feeling like a thief and then possibly acting like one." My comment pertains to DRM not the quality of ROF or how shakey its DRM is (I have had issues too and I allude to them) or whether you believe the product is a rip off. 'Its' equals DRM 'Its' does not equal ROF My response to you in email thus: Hello Mike, The line quoted is in reference to peoples feelings about DRM and making them feel untrustworthy. It is not about the quality of a product, any product, but about the imposition of DRM and ones reaction to it- "oh so they think I am a thief and not trustworthy?" sort of gut wrench reaction - we all experience it in one way or another. I would not care to comment at all on the quality of ROF at all and it has no bearing on the topic in hand. HTH WM The missing post is nothing, it probably didn't go thru when I hit enter - my internet connection really sucks. Which is one more reason, even I was willing to, I could not play 'ROF' (which I have no interest in anyway, since OFF is so amazing, why bother with another WW1 sim). The problem with most discussions of DRM is this: Sooner or later (and usually sooner....much sooner) the people on the 'pro' side of the DRM debate accuse the people on the 'anti' side of the debate of being thieves, thinking like thieves, acting like thieves, etc. That gets old. VERY OLD. I've been a gamer since 'X-Wing' came out in 1993. Not so much anymore. After the starforce fiasco I started taking a VERY pro-active look at potential game purchases DRM. I will not install steam or any other 'run in the background' client. I will not purchase any game that has limited installs. I don't mind one 'authentication' on install. But always connected to the internet? Unless it's a multi-player only game, that's just nuts. Needless to say, I don't spend near the money or time on computer gaming I once did. When I said 'ROF has a rotten business model' I absolutely believe it. I think if they had a simple, offline disk-check (like MFCS3, for example) they would get MORE sales than they will with this crazy 'you always have to be connected to our server' nonsense. Just my opinion based on my experiences as a gamer, my many gaming friends feeling about this kind of thing, and what I read about this issue. No way to say if I'm right or wrong. But I really believe this intrusive DRM is not going to be a long-term thing. The market just will not stand for it. I hope I'm right. I guess we'll see over time. Edited August 1, 2009 by SGCSG1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ONETINSOLDIER 2 Posted August 1, 2009 first off, hello ERIK, i see you are watching this one closely, secondly, you all did not listen to the gwar, there is no torrent for phase 3, third, lets stop all the arguing and start flying!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Erik 1,812 Posted August 1, 2009 Getting back to the torrent issue. Consider corrupting the torrent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Winder 32 Posted August 1, 2009 Getting back to the torrent issue. Consider corrupting the torrent. Thanks Guys - predictably this thread is turning into a personal abuse session in e-mail with people taking things as personal insults rather seeing it as a discussion as to why DRM is coming and going to get worse. I cannot leave a thread open when I have e-mail abuse on a subject. Thanks WM OBD Software Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
