It's Time To Play,"What's My Plane" !

[Red-Dog 3]

Sorry Lou getting carried away...

[Herr Prop-Wasche 7]

Lou,

 

Ricketycrate didn't say it was an Oil pressure gauge, he said it was an Oil Level gauge. Don't know if that makes any difference, but thought I would point that out.

 

Have to say that I am thouroughly enjoying this thread, even though I haven't hazarded a guess, yet (although I did spend several hours looking for that darned wildcard photo of the automatic camera). Very interesting information and in an entertaining format.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Herr-Prop Wasche, thanks for pointing that out I Sir, I missed it. And no, it does not make a difference.

 

Glad you are enjoying the contest. Feel free to jump in with a guess, I hazard them all the time myself.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[Duce Lewis 3]

Well I used to work in a lab that had a vacuum bell

Reminds me of that, so my guess it's a manifold vacuum/pressure gauge (in the Pup)

Probably used to help adjust fuel mixture

 

Either that or it's a coffee perculator that someone's snuck into a Japanese Tea Room

[Rickitycrate 10]

This things like a rollercoaster . Got my hopes up there for a few seconds. To be shot down again .

[Dej 17]

... it is not an air pressure gauge for the Vickers, as the Vickers on the Pup was controlled by means of the Sopwith-Kauper gear and a lever on the back of the gun, (which if I recall correctly is a mechanical system)

 

The attached may interest you, Lou. This is reference to a Pup with a Constantinesco Interrupter, in the Windsock Datafile 002, p13. Doesn't make any difference to the incorrectness of my answer, of course, but thought you'd like to see it. Of course, the editor could have got it wrong.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Well that is interesting Dej. I checked three different sources and each notes the Pup as using the Sopwith-Kauper gear for the Vickers. Now the plane in the clip you provided was built by Whitehead, so perhaps that is the difference. However, if the pump on the port side is for the Constantinesco Interrupter then it raises another question in my mind: Where is the hand pump for pressurizing the pertol tank? It is not on the starboard side as seen in the photo I posted, which leads me to believe the pump may have been mis-identified in that article. Or it's also possible that it simply has not been installed yet in the plane shown as that one is in the stages of assembly. I will have to do some more investigating.

 

And since I just mentioned the hand pump for pressurizing the petrol tank...Duce, I am awarding you the 2 points for this one. You are close enough as you noted it could be a pressure gauge used to adjust fuel mixture; well done Sir. What that gauge in the Pup does exactly is it reads the air pressure in the petrol tank, and that pressure is normally produced by a Rotherham propeller pump when the plane is moving. However, at start-up the pilot had to use the hand pump to build about 2.5 lbs of air pressure in the tank in order for the plane to run initially, (the hand pump could also be used in flight should the propeller pump fail or become damaged). If you look closely at the face of the gauge it is marked "AIR", and it is calibrated from 0 to 5 lbs of pressure, which would put the recommended 2.5 reading right in the middle of the dial. Next time you are flying your favorite OFF plane, take a look and see if it has it's own version of this gauge. Some of them do.

 

 

 

The standings after this latest Wild Card photo:

 

Olham, 18 points

Dej, 17 points

Red-Dog, 10 points

Rickitycrate, 10 points

Bullethead, 5 points

Duce Lewis, 5 points

Luftace, 5 points

Burning Beard, 4 points

Check Six, 2 points

rhythalion, 2 points

JohnGresham, 1 point

Shrikehawk, 1 point

TonyO, 1 point

zoomzoom, 1 point

 

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[Red-Dog 3]

Nice one Duce.

[Duce Lewis 3]

You're very generous Lou

I'm learning a lot here

These WWI are a lot more sophisticted than I'd thought

Nice little contest you're running

 

Back at ya Red-Dog!

[Olham 164]

That's life - 1 1/2 hours investigation, but too late...

Well, anyway, here is what I found in a post at the Aerodrome about this:

 

"Pressure control" - would presumably be for controling the airpressure in the main fuel tank.

This tank had to be pressurized to get the petrol to flow to the carburettor. Most planes also

had a small emergency petrol tank that worked by gravity (the 'gravity tank').

If pressure failed in the main tank - perhaps because it had been punctured by a bullet - there

was enough petrol in the gravity tank to get you back to base. Pressure in the main tank was

normally sustained by a small mechanical pump either driven off the engine or by the slipstream.

In emergencies it could also be maintained by the pilot pumping a thing like a bicycle pump located

in his cockpit. There would also be a 'tap' to vent the tank to the outside air pressure after landing.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Olham

[RAF_Louvert 101]

There you go Olham, that is spot on Sir. And see how much we're all learning here.

 

BTW, about 13 1/2 hours from right now, (High Noon GMT), I will be posting the next set of photos, so be on the look-out for them.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Greetings anxious contestants. We are entering the final four sets so the home stretch is in sight, (can't you just feel the tension mounting). Please remember the rules, and have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

Round 9 begins now. Good luck everyone. Let's play What's My Plane!

 

 

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[Olham 164]

_{No. 35 is a Junkers D-1 Fighter}

 

_{The Junkers Model J-9 fighter was exclusively used by the German Air Force during World War I.}

_{A German pilot stands by his plane in this photo on February 2, 1918.}

 

_{WIKI says about it:}

 

_{The Junkers D.I (factory designation J 9) was a fighter aircraft produced in Germany late in World}

_{War I, significant for becoming the first all-metal fighter to enter service.}

_{The prototype, a private venture by Junkers designated the J 7, first flew on 17 September 1917.}

_{Demonstrated to the Idflieg early the following year, it proved impressive enough to result in an}

_{order for three additional aircraft for trials. However, the changes made by Junkers were significant}

_{enough for the firm to redesignate the next example the J 9, which was supplied to the Idflieg instead}

_{of the three J 7s ordered.}

 

_{During tests, the J 9 was felt to lack the maneuverability necessary for a front-line fighter, but was}

_{judged fit for a naval fighter, and a batch of 12 was ordered. These were to have been supplied to a}

_{naval unit by September 1918, but instead equipped the same unit redeployed to the Eastern Front}

_{after the Armistice.}

 

_{Specifications}

 

_{Data from Holmes, 2005. p 32}

 

_{General characteristics}

 

_{* Crew: One pilot}

_{* Length: 7.25 m (23 ft 9.4 in)}

_{* Wingspan: 9.00 m (29 ft 6.3 in)}

_{* Height: 2.60 m (8 ft 6 in)}

_{* Empty weight: 654 kg (1,438 lb)}

_{* Gross weight: 834 kg (1,834 lb)}

_{* Powerplant: 1 × BMW IIIa water cooled 6 cylinder inline, 138 kW (185 hp)}

 

_Performance

 

_{* Maximum speed: 225[2] km/h (140 mph)}

_{* Endurance: 1.5[2] hours}

_{* Service ceiling: 6,000 m (19,700 ft)}

_{* Rate of climb: 3.5[2] m/s (683 ft/min)}

 

_Armament

 

_{* 2 × fixed, forward-firing machine guns}

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Oh yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about Olham. Outstanding Sir, right down to the date the photo was taken. Two more points to you Sir.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[Dej 17]

#33 is a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter

 

The Sopwith 1½ Strutter was a British one or two-seat biplane multi-role aircraft It is significant as the first British-designed two seater tractor fighter, and the first British aircraft to enter service with a synchronised machine gun. It also saw widespread but rather undistinguished service with the French Aéronautique Militaire.

 

Designed by the Sopwith Aviation Company, originally for service with the Royal Naval Air Service, (Yay!) the 1½ Strutter was so nicknamed because each of the upper wings (there was no true centre section) were connected to the fuselage by a pair of short (half) struts and a pair of longer struts, forming a "W" when viewed from the front. The aircraft had airbrakes on the lower wings and was powered by a 130-hp (97 kW) Clerget rotary engine.

 

The main armament was one fixed .303-in Vickers machine gun and up to four 56 lb (25 kg) bombs. In the two-seat version, the observer was armed with a Lewis gun on a Scarff ring mount. In December 1915, the Vickers-Challenger interrupter gear was put into production for the Royal Flying Corps and in a few weeks a similar order for the Scarff-Dibovski gear was placed for the RNAS. These gears were fitted to early 1½ Strutters until it was possible to standardise on the improved Ross gear, although the Sopwith-Kauper gear was also used. None of these early mechanical synchronisation gears were very reliable and it was not uncommon for propellers to be damaged, or even entirely shot away.

 

Some early production aircraft were initially built without the forward firing gun because Vickers guns, as well as the necessary synchronisation gears, were in short supply. The Scarff ring mounting was also very new, and production was at first slower than that of the aircraft requiring them. Various makeshift Lewis mountings, as well as the older Nieuport ring mounting, were fitted to some early 1½ Strutters as an interim measure.

 

The prototype two-seater flew in December 1915 and production deliveries started to reach the RNAS in February 1916. By the end of April, No. 5 Wing RNAS had a complete flight of the new aircraft, using them both to escort the Wing's Caudron G.4 and Breguet bombers and to carry out bombing raids themselves.[3][4] The War Office had ordered the type for the RFC at the same time, but because Sopwiths were contracted to the Navy for their entire production, the RFC orders had to be placed with Ruston Proctor and Vickers, and production from these manufacturers did not get into its stride until August. Since the Somme offensive was planned for the end of June, and the type was far more urgently required by the RFC than by the RNAS the situation was clearly farcical, and in the event some aircraft had to be transferred from one service to the other - allowing No. 70 squadron to reach the front by early July 1916, with Sopwith-built Strutters originally intended for the navy.

 

At first No. 70 did very well with their new mounts. The period of German ascendency known as the Fokker scourge was long over, and the 1½ Strutter's long range, coupled with its excellent armament for the period, enabled effective offensive patrolling deep into German held territory. Unfortunately, by the time No. 45 Squadron reached the front in October the new Albatros fighters were appearing in the Jagdstaffeln. By January 1917, when No 43 Squadron arrived in France, the type was totally outclassed as a fighter; although it was still a useful long-range reconnaissance aircraft. Like most early Sopwith types, the 1½ Strutter was very lightly built, and its structure did not stand up very well to arduous war service. It was also far too stable to make a good dogfighter. The last front line 1½ Strutters in the RFC were replaced by Camels in late October 1917.

 

Source: Wikipaedia

 

Sorry, went for the easy one... busy day.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Dej

[Red-Dog 3]

Hi Lou i think No 34 is a Maurice Farman Shorthorn.

The Maurice Farman Shorthorn was designed and built in France by a pioneer aeroplane manufacturing company established by the Farman brothers. The Shorthorn became the first armed aircraft to engage in aerial combat during World War I. Its most noted service activity was as a training aircraft with No 5 Australian Flying Corps (Training) Squadron in the United Kingdom and with the Central Flying School (CFS) at Point Cook. It was affectionately known as 'Rumpety' to the students because of the noise it made while travelling over the ground.

 

 

 

The first Maurice Farman Shorthorn was introduced into service with the Australian Flying Corps (AFC) at Point Cook in 1916 and allocated serial number CFS-7. A further four were ordered in 1917 and were allocated serial numbers CFS-16, 17, 19 and 20 and used extensively for training until 1919. One Farman crashed at Werribee during a training sortie, killing Cadet Duckworth, the first airman killed in military flying training in Australia. The remaining aircraft were offered for sale early in 1919 as these aircraft were being replaced with improved types. Mr Graham Carey purchased all four Farmans for his aerial services operating from Port Melbourne.

 

Powered by a French 80hp Wolseley-Renault air-cooled V8 engine, the Farman is made predominantly of wood and fabric. A complex maze of wires and struts hold the upper and lower wings in place, preventing them from warping in flight.

 

 

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Dej and Red-Dog, well done Sirs! Both of you are correct. #33 is my much beloved Strutter 1 1/2, and #34 is the Farman Shorthorn, (also tagged the M-11). Two more points for each of you gents.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

 

 

[Red-Dog 3]

Well done Dej and Olham.

I will never catch you at this rate........you boy's know your stuff.

[Dej 17]

Thanks Red-Dog, and you've done well yourself.

 

For my part I've had a bit of luck in that in about three cases (RE8, Hansa-Brandenburg and Zeppelin-Straaken cockpit, IIRC) I'd only recently seen the very photo Lou used.

 

Olham's the man to admire. I've almost resorted to a thesaurus in some of the pesky paper chases Lou's had us doing on the Web, and English is my native language. I know Olham's English is extremely good but I still say, without meaning to be condescending at all, that 20 points of his are worth 24 of mine.

[Olham 164]

Okay, now I must say openly, what I wrote to RedDog, after reading his post:

it is an honour for me to compete with you all, and whoever wins the Pour Le Merite

amongst you, has really fought well for it, and deserves it.

I hope, no one will give up - let's go through it together. May it be a pleasure for

you all as much as it is for me.

And thanks again, Lou, for the great idea, for getting the medal as a reward for us,

and for all the compiling work.

[Rickitycrate 10]

Pic 36; Well It seems you've left me one. I do believe it is the Lloyd CV. I've searched aplenty and found scant info. From Wikipedia:

The Lloyd C.II and its derivatives, the C.III and C.IV were reconnaissance aircraft produced in Austria-Hungary during the First World War. They were based on the Lloyd company's pre-war CI design, and like it, were conventional biplanes with swept-back wings.

 

After the outbreak of World War I, the original aircraft was refined somewhat by Lloyd designers Wizina and von Melczer,^[2] featuring a reduced wingspan and wing area but increased weight. An 8 mm Schwarzlose machine gun was added on a semi-circular mount for an observer.

 

Beginning in 1915, one hundred examples of this type were built – fifty by Lloyd at their plant in Aszód, and another fifty by WKF in Vienna.

 

Apart from their service with the Austro-Hungarian flying service, ten C.IIs saw service with Poland. These were captured in Malopolska in November 1918 and were used as trainers until being withdrawn from service in 1920.

 

The C.III was almost identical except for the use of a 120 kW (160 hp) Austro-Daimler engine, which increased the top speed to 133 km/h (83 mph). Production again was by both Lloyd and WKF, with total production amounting to 50-60 machines.

 

The C.IV also used the Austro-Daimler engine, and small batches were produced by both Lloyd and WKF.

 

Variants

 

• C.II with Heiro engine an 14.00 m wingspan (100 built)
• C.III with Austro-Daimler engine and 14.00 m wingspan (8 or 16 built by Lloyd, 43 by WKF)
• C.IV with Austro-Daimler engine produced by Lloyd with 14.52 m (47 ft 8 in) wingspan (47 built, plus one converted)

 

 

Specifications (C.II)

Data from Grosz 2002

 

General characteristics

 

• Crew: Two, pilot and observer
• Length: 9.00 m (29 ft 6 in)
• Wingspan: 14.00 m (45 ft 11 in)
• Height: 3.40 m (11 ft 2 in)
• Wing area: 38.0 m² (409 ft²)
• Empty weight: 905 kg (1,990 lb)
• Gross weight: 1,350 kg (2,970 lb)
• Powerplant: 1 × Hiero inline engine, 108 kW (145 hp)

Performance

 

• Maximum speed: 128 km/h (80 mph)
• Range: 400 km (250 miles)
• Service ceiling: 3,000 m (9,800 ft)
• Rate of climb: 5.6 m/s (1,100 ft/min)

Armament

 

• 1 × trainable 8 mm Schwarzlose machine gun for observer
• 90 kg (200 lb) of bombs

The Lloyd CV was an Austro-Hungarian design that flew in the later part of the War. This particular model (pictured) represents a machine delivered in September 1917, with the Autumn Leaf mottle camouflage applied to the upper surfaces by sequentially splotching the surface with paint saturated sponges or rags. Starting over the base mahogany plywood, Mustard Yellow, then Terra Cotta and then finally Medium Green were applied in that order to achieve the desired effect.

 

In a departure from most Austro-Hungarian aircraft of the war, the wing crosses have a white outline applied to them to help them stand out against the dark, highly varnished and polished mahogany plywood that the airplane was constructed from, rather than just a simple black cross, as was the norm. The entire airframe was constructed of mahogany plywood, the only fabric surfaces being the control surfaces, the fin and horizontal stabilizer.

 

 

Lloyd CV’s were one of the faster aircraft of the war, with a top speed of about 125 miles per hour. Unfortunately they also had a very high landing and stall speed, which more often than not resulted in noseovers and landing accidents. They were armed with a single Type II VK Gun Canister on the top wing and a single Schwarzlose 8 mm machine gun mounted on a ring for the Observer.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Rickitycrate

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Top notch answer Rickitycrate, and exactly right. It is the Lloyd C.V. The final two points in this set are yours Sir.

 

Also, Red-Dog, there are still three photo sets to go and several Wild Card photos, so don't be counting yourself out of this race yet. Keep the competition going everyone.

 

 

Here are the standings after photo set 9:

 

Olham, 20 points

Dej, 19 points

Red-Dog, 12 points

Rickitycrate, 12 points

Bullethead, 5 points

Duce Lewis, 5 points

Luftace, 5 points

Burning Beard, 4 points

Check Six, 2 points

rhythalion, 2 points

JohnGresham, 1 point

Shrikehawk, 1 point

TonyO, 1 point

zoomzoom, 1 point

 

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[Dej 17]

Hah! Made you look, didn't I? You can calm down now... you didn't miss one.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist it, call me puerile if you will. (Lou will probably disqualify me now )

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Hee, hee...OK now that was funny.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

DING DING DING !!! WILD CARD PHOTO !

 

 

The first to correctly identify the object shown, how it functioned, and on what type of aircraft it was used will be awarded 2 bonus points. You must be spot on with all answers to win.

 

 

 

 

 

Good Luck!

 

 

 

Now I made you look.

 

 

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