MIG-21 PF(later) / PFM

[porkwind 0]

I have been looking to see if anyone has made the MIG-21 PF(later) variant,,,, which looks the same as a mig 21 PFM, but with the hinged canopy. I have seen Egyptian Camo for this in the book Egyptian Mig19 and Mig21 units, here it is still refered to as a MIG-21 PFM. It has the GP9 gunpack in the centreline weapon rack.

 

I have tried to make one myself,,, but I am simply not knowledgable enough to do this!!!!!!

 

Can anyone help me?????? ,

 

Cheers!

 

TOM

[UllyB 1,206]

Be more specific, you were trying to make one yourself...what ? A gun pod, a modded/changed MIG-21PF model (with hinged canopy)?

[Slartibartfast 153]

I think form my understanding he was asking for the Mig-21...

[Fubar512 1,350]

The fix is the same as it is in SF2: http://combatace.com/topic/57791-mig-21pfms-hidden-surprise/

 

The only major difference is that one adds the gunpod entries to the weapondata.ini file, instead of creating a separate weapons folder for it.

[+paulopanz 2,876]

I have been looking to see if anyone has made the MIG-21 PF(later) variant,,,, which looks the same as a mig 21 PFM, but with the hinged canopy. I have seen Egyptian Camo for this in the book Egyptian Mig19 and Mig21 units, here it is still refered to as a MIG-21 PFM. It has the GP9 gunpack in the centreline weapon rack.

 

I have tried to make one myself,,, but I am simply not knowledgable enough to do this!!!!!!

 

Can anyone help me?????? ,

 

Cheers!

 

TOM

 

When Spillone104 and I worked on Type-77 SF-2 mod (a stock SF-2 Mig-21FL upgraded), he made for the SF-1 serie a parabrake (fake pilot style) to add to Mig-21PF. But the PF had a different tail more like PFM.

 

That plane, that's always on my HD and is flagged as Mig-21PFS or Early Mig-21PFM (wip!) maybe is quite what are You looking for: (front) hinged canopy, GP9 gun pod and parachute.

 

In use by DDR (mostly) and Egypt.

 

If You are interested I think we could finish that mod.

 

 

Paul

[porkwind 0]

When Spillone104 and I worked on Type-77 SF-2 mod (a stock SF-2 Mig-21FL upgraded), he made for the SF-1 serie a parabrake (fake pilot style) to add to Mig-21PF. But the PF had a different tail more like PFM.

 

That plane, that's always on my HD and is flagged as Mig-21PFS or Early Mig-21PFM (wip!) maybe is quite what are You looking for: (front) hinged canopy, GP9 gun pod and parachute.

 

In use by DDR (mostly) and Egypt.

 

If You are interested I think we could finish that mod.

 

 

Paul

 

 

That is EXACTLY what I am after!!!!

 

,,,,,,some nice Egyptian Camo variants as well will be good,,,,will try and have a crack at them myself!

 

Thanks for all your replies,,,yes it is the whole aircraft I am after!!!

 

Thanks! let me know if you are going to go ahead and finish!

 

Thanks alot,,please keep me updated,,,

 

TOM

[+paulopanz 2,876]

Well, is it Your bird?

 

 

 

The only issue is that for a camo skin You need a different plane with a different (painted) fake pilot (parachute) .....

 

 

BTW I made a Mistake: the LSK (DDR) used a later, different type called Mig-21SPS like this (wip, too):

 

 

Basically an other early PFM with new canopy but without gunpod.

 

Paul

Edited September 1, 2010 by paulopanz

[porkwind 0]

Well, is it Your bird?

 

 

 

The only issue is that for a camo skin You need a different plane with a different (painted) fake pilot (parachute) .....

 

 

BTW I made a Mistake: the LSK (DDR) used a later, different type called Mig-21SPS like this (wip, too):

 

 

Basically an other early PFM with new canopy but without gunpod.

 

Paul

 

 

YES!! The above birds with the hinged canopies are the one!!!! I guess its easy to add the GP9,,,,seen alot of notes on that one,,,,and as I said some nice Egyptian skins,,,,if anyone else would like to join in?

 

Thanks

[porkwind 0]

AHHHHHH<<<<< spotted one mistake,,,,,,the pictures you show with the hinged canopy still only have the shorter tail,,,,,

 

Teh last picture has the correct longer tail,,,,so its a mixture of both,,,,

 

TOM

[+paulopanz 2,876]

Understood. That's maybe another transition early Mig-21PFM.

 

Any pic?

 

 

 

Paul

[porkwind 0]

I have a badly scanned picture,,,,

[+paulopanz 2,876]

They seem all 3 Mig-21FLs ....

 

... in fact the FL had the bigger tailfin of PFM and the cockipit of PM.

 

Here some Y.Gordon's PFS and early PFM drawings

 

 

Not found FL ones, but FL is VERY similar (if not identical in shape) to PFM.

 

So I think You could work on SF-2 FL model editing the data.ini.

 

 

Paul

[porkwind 0]

Thanks for your reply Paul,,,

 

Will give it a shot,,,not brill at modding,,,but hey, its part of the fun!!!!

 

TOM

 

 

 

They seem all 3 Mig-21FLs ....

 

... in fact the FL had the bigger tailfin of PFM and the cockipit of PM.

 

Here some Y.Gordon's PFS and early PFM drawings

 

 

Not found FL ones, but FL is VERY similar (if not identical in shape) to PFM.

 

So I think You could work on SF-2 FL model editing the data.ini.

 

 

Paul

[+paulopanz 2,876]

My pleasure, Tom.

 

More Migs, more fun.

 

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

SPS was a version with changable Gunpod / tank

without GP:

 

With GP:

Just like Kuklo did in this mod:

http://combatace.com/files/file/6012-mig-21pfm-modifications/

 

http://combatace.com/files/file/6122-mig-21sps-the-white-shark-gaf-1991/

Edited September 14, 2010 by Soulfreak

[+Muesli 2,161]

Well, is it Your bird?

 

 

 

The only issue is that for a camo skin You need a different plane with a different (painted) fake pilot (parachute) .....

 

 

BTW I made a Mistake: the LSK (DDR) used a later, different type called Mig-21SPS like this (wip, too):

 

 

Basically an other early PFM with new canopy but without gunpod.

 

Paul

 

So Paulo,

 

I guess you're making a whole MiG-21 series in detail??!!

Dude, you da man! I love the 21!

[+Gepard 11,289]

SPS was a version with changable Gunpod / tank

 

The MiG-21SPS (isdeliye 94) had no ability to carry the GP-9 gunpod. The SPS-K (isdeliye 94K) was the one who could carry the GP-9, but was mostly flown without this pod.

The only difference between the two versions was a bolt for holding the gunpod.

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

Oh sure, you are right Michael!

SPS & SPS-K

[+paulopanz 2,876]

So Paulo,

 

I guess you're making a whole MiG-21 series in detail??!!

Dude, you da man! I love the 21!

 

 

You know I like 21, too.

 

Tk made for SF-2 quite the whole serie (F,FL,PF,PFM,PFV,S,M,MF,SM,bis,bisB). The transition from PF to PFM is the only (little) real gap to close.

 

I have on my HD the PFS and the SPS (No GP) or early PFM with all "real" LSK numbers and "Q" marks done (see above).

 

The SPS-K (kannone) could be easily done adding a removable GP-9 as explained in the forum.

 

I'ld have a brand new Mig-21R with new ecm wingpods, too ....

 

Edited September 14, 2010 by paulopanz

[+sony tuckson 12]

what about the less known Mig-21 SMT or Fishbed K?

 

very few were built and used, but it has some special look I like

 

very hard to get real pictures of it.

 

It was the model with the large humpback, very big one, coming deeper down the fuselage

 

as can be seen here

 

yet better a nice pic:

 

Edited September 14, 2010 by sony tuckson

[+paulopanz 2,876]

what about the less known Mig-21 SMT or Fishbed K?

 

very few were built and used, but it has some special look I like

 

very hard to get real pictures of it.

 

It was the model with the large humpback, very big one, coming deeper down the fuselage

 

 

Michael made a good one for SF-1 that can be ported in SF-2 in a snap: http://combatace.com/files/file/11141-mig-21smt-fishbed-k/

 

and there are rumors about an updated one ....

 

Paul

[+sony tuckson 12]

Thx for the reply, I missed that release....will install right away!

[porkwind 0]

I still cannot find the original mig-21 fl files anywhere for the aircraft model

 

Was it released in any of the versions of Strike fighters,,,or wings over...which one?

 

I tried to install the type 77 HAL model,,,but it doesnt show up .

 

Is it missing some files????

 

can anyone help me please,

 

TOM

[+Gepard 11,289]

The MiG-21FL is part of SF2 Israel, not of WOX or SFP1.

The downloadable mods for SFP1 using the MiG-21PF lod which is included in WOV, WOE and WOI.

[porkwind 0]

thank you very much!

 

TOM