since there is no "What if" forum for SF2...

[+Monty CZ 209]

I was thinking about my next RC model and then this idea came to me:

What if we would build plane similar to XF5U-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_XF5U)

with technologies we have now. And here it is:

powered with 2 turbo-prop engines (on lower speed there is some thrust vectoring used)

speed range 60-600kmph

manned and unmanned version

2 bombbays, gyro stabilized cameras and laser under the belly

 

what do you think?

 

Monty CZ

Edited February 13, 2011 by Monty CZ

[mdatelmi 124]

Mmmm...

 

interesting...

 

Just a little "hint"...I think that the rudders should be more "actual"...not straight but angled and increased...and the stabs the same modern look with some negative dihedron...the props caps a bit more pointed.

 

Just my cents...

[FastCargo 412]

Well, it wouldn't be stealthy in the modern sense, but would make a good carrier based long duration aircraft...maybe a good sub hunter.

 

FC

[+Monty CZ 209]

It is not supposed to be stealthy because of those two biiiggg props,

I only tried to use the design similar to the Predators or Reapers (UAVs).

Size of the rudders and stabs is similar to the XF5U ones and I read

that it was very effective thanks to the constant propwash even on slow speed.

And the role for that plane? CAS, LGB delivery (all future munition would be smart

wouldnt it?), RECON/Armed Recon...etc.

Dont know if aerial refueling would be possible with this configuration :-)

 

Monty CZ

[+EricJ 4,218]

You'd have to make the refuelling probe like the CH-53 which allowed the aircraft to refuel despite the huge rotor it had. And yeah there would probably precision munitions so an LGB/CAS role could come about.

[Wrench 9,820]

AFR doors aft of the cockpit (ala Phantoms)? or like EricJ said, an long probe (extendable?) coming out from nose/fuselage/cockpit region

 

Neat idea!!

 

wrench

kevin stein

[+Julhelm 266]

How about rotating gun/micro missile turret like on the BAe SABA concepts?

 

Also, the XFU5-1 had integrated footsteps all along the spine for crew entry.

[FrankD 7]

What about a photovoltaic module covering the whole upper side of the fuselage ala Helios?

[+Monty CZ 209]

Julhelm minigun turret was tried on OV-10 Bronco but I dont think it is good idea

flying low and slow while angle of attack is more than 20° is not the best way to support your troops :-)

I can imagine 30mm fixed cannon instead :-D

FrankD you are kidding me! right? :-) this plane has wingspan about 8meters, the same lenght, so the maximum

power you could get from photovoltaic pannels is about 110kW in absolutely sunny day...my bike has more :-)

You are not supposed to think green here! :-)

Wrench: I believe that AFR doors would work

 

Monty CZ

[+Kulbit80 1,399]

What an ugly "Flying Pancake", looks like a jumping toad

 

The best weapon for this monster is self appearance

Edited February 14, 2011 by Kulbit80

[+daddyairplanes 10,191]

What an ugly "Flying Pancake", looks like a jumping toad

 

The best weapon for this monster is self appearance

 

 

you mean like the X-32 prototype? :lol:

[JediMaster 451]

You've got the wrong service. The USN wouldn't want this thing, but the USMC would love it! It's a one-Marine mini-AV-22! While the Harrier and F-35B will get to the target area fast, they don't have that persistence and low speed that make CAS more effective. Stealth doesn't matter in that regime, you just need agility, firepower, and the ability to defeat MANPADs and other short-range IRH SAMs.

 

The USN went and retired perfectly good S-3Bs because they weren't interested in ASW being carrier-based at that range anymore I guess. I can't see them caring to get these.

 

 

[+Monty CZ 209]

I made one ugly nose insteady of that pointed and aerodynamical, because I need to place sensors somewhere

and that cannon needs to be fitted somewhere too :-)

It just cant fire unguided rockets :-(

 

Monty CZ

[+EricJ 4,218]

That's okay CAS can be just as effective with unguided or guided bombs

[+Julhelm 266]

How about fitting rocket pods on the centerline?

 

Also I think it'd look much cooler if you put a longer-barreled gun on it, such as the 3-barrel one used on the Cobra. Now that I think of it a curved canopy like on the Whiskey Cobra would look cooler than the stepped one IMO.

[+Monty CZ 209]

Julhelm as you can see from this point of view it is not so easy

I dont want to affect that Lantrin thing on the left side (I designed it retractable)

on the right side is cannon (not too long barreled because of the previous point)

under the belly is 2 bombays and 2 exhausts from the engine 1st stage compressor

for some aditional lift on slow speed.

I think there is place for 2 external weapon stations for bombs or missiles with delayed ignition :-)

 

Monty CZ

[+EricJ 4,218]

Yeah I see them too, just to the insides of the main landing gear.

[+Monty CZ 209]

and in this stage I lost most of the data due strange computer behavior... :-(

 

so it wont be finnished

Monty CZ

Edited March 6, 2011 by Monty CZ

[+logan4 847]

and in this stage I lost most of the data due strange computer behavior... :-(

 

so it wont be finnished

Monty CZ

 

Unfortunate...

Do you have "Active@ File Recovery" software? Might able to salvage it.. Just a thought.

If not look around at the following address: http://www.file-recovery.net/download.htm

L

[+Monty CZ 209]

Unfortunate...

Do you have "Active@ File Recovery" software? Might able to salvage it.. Just a thought.

If not look around at the following address: http://www.file-recovery.net/download.htm

L

 

Thanx for the support I will look at it. I saved the file but with 3DS still open, left the computer for a while

It was in sleep mode and wont start correctly...it said something that system need to be repaired (blah blah)

and after that 3DS said that file cannot be open and my ini work wasnt saved either. I was "x%!&@{" !!!! because

I lost 80% of UVW mapping with textures already done, animations, hierarchy etc etc.

I dont like Win7 ! but maybe I will start again, because this concept is weird enough :-)

Monty CZ

[+Julhelm 266]

Check the autoback folder in documents/3dsmax. Max autosaves 3 copies of the last file you were working on. Has saved me many times.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

same here autobak his a life saver

[FastCargo 412]

Yea...for a program that is a standard of the industry, it sure can be buggy at times. I've got mine set to save 5 previous copies at 5 minute intervals.

 

FC

[+Monty CZ 209]

Check the autoback folder in documents/3dsmax. Max autosaves 3 copies of the last file you were working on. Has saved me many times.

 

Julhelm you saved me few hours of my life!!!! thanx a lot

the oldest autoback was file just before I mirrored all the components

the others two were from time I checked older files...ufff I am glad that I didnt open anthing else :-)

 

It gave me the idea for the name: Phoenix, what should be the code? (it is not supposed to be an american aircraft :-))

 

Monty CZ

Edited March 7, 2011 by Monty CZ

[Wrench 9,820]

oh, I sooooo glad that it got saved! It's too cool to loose!

 

For which nation/service? That'll help determine 'model type' number

 

wrench

kevin stein