Munich war 1938

[+Monty CZ 209]

Playing with trains

Monty CZ

[+Monty CZ 209]

aaand with train station:

MontyCZ

[Wrench 9,471]

don't forget Stary's 3 track main station I had him build (the tracks run right through it!!)

 

the train cars look EXCELLENT!!!

Edited July 31, 2014 by Wrench

[+Monty CZ 209]

Actually this is the layout of trainstation based on real one from very small village.

comparing to the previous do you think that is too dense?

(trucks, walls, signal towers, fences missing but planned)

this I call recon flight :-)

Monty CZ

[Wrench 9,471]

no, I think it's about right. you've go the switch tracks to the sidings, one to a 'terminus'.  I like it!

[+Coupi 4,279]

Excellent!

[+Monty CZ 209]

Ok I can call this finished layout of medium trainstation :-)

 

Now it is easy to make the small one and the LARGE one

 

Monty CZ

[+Monty CZ 209]

Lets say that 10 different types of wagons would be enough :-)

How to model them to affect campaign strategically - if I destroy 10 cars with tanks there is no tank platoon etc...

Monty CZ

[+JonathanRL 973]

 

How to model them to affect campaign strategically - if I destroy 10 cars with tanks there is no tank platoon etc...

I am sorry, but that is not possible in my knowledge. I have wanted a similar function for quite some time.

SF2 has a bad case of "easy, invisible logistics."

 

Supply is given to the opposing forces over time, it is not "delivered".

Edited August 7, 2014 by JonathanRL

[+Monty CZ 209]

So I will try to set the TargetValue= points to win the mission when succesfully atacked some train wagons...

Monty CZ

Edited August 11, 2014 by Monty CZ

[+Monty CZ 209]

Today I destroyed something:

 

can anybody help me to add smokestack effect to train engine (and I want to use groundobjects)

Thank you

Monty CZ

[Gatling20 748]

I found this in the terrain_Types.INI of a WW2 terrain, which adds a smokestack to a train:

 

[TargetType074]
Name=TrainEngine
FullName=Locomotive
ModelName=TrainEngine.LOD
............
Effect=SmokeStackEffect
EffectOffset=0,4.8,5.6

[+Monty CZ 209]

unfortunately this is not working when UseGroundObject is set to TRUE

 

types.ini

[TargetType116]
Name=trainengine_1
FullName=train steam engine
ModelName=trainengine1.LOD
TargetType=TRANSPORT
Reported=FALSE
ActiveYear=0
TargetValue=0
UseGroundObject=TRUE
GroundObjectType=trainengine1
DamagePoint=50
ArmorValue=1.0
ArmorType=3
RepairRate=3.0
StartDetectChance=500
StartIdentifiedChance=400
IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0
MaxVisibleDist=5000.0
CollisionMesh=trainengine1.LOD
DestroyedEffect=SmallExplosionEffect
DestroyedModel=
SecondaryChance=80
SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect
Effect=SmokeStackEffect
EffectOffset=0.00,5.77,5.25

and from the data.ini

[MissionData]
NationName=Czechoslovakia
ServiceStartYear=1935
ServiceEndYear=1945
GroundObjectRole=TRANSPORT
Availability=VERY_RARE
Exported=TRUE
ExportStartYear=1942
ExportAvailability=VERY_COMMON

[GroundObjectData]
DamagedModel=
DestroyedModel=trainengine1\trainengine1D.LOD
DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect
EmptyMass=5580.00
Component[001]=Body

[Sound]
EngineSoundName=
MovementSoundName=

[DetectSystem]
MaxVisibleDistance=6000
RadarCrossSection=1

[WeaponSystem]

[MovementSystem]
MaxRoadSpeed=0.000001
MaxOffRoadSpeed=0.000001
PowerAvailable=10.0
MaxTurnRate=0.0
MaxDeceleration=0.0
SuspensionConstant=0.0

[Body]
MaxExtentPosition= 1.36, 5.37, 2.74
MinExtentPosition=-1.36,-5.49, 0.00
StructuralFactor=0.8
HasArmor=FALSE
SystemName[001]=Engine

[Engine]
SystemType=ENGINE
MaxExtentPosition= 0.67,-0.58, 1.27
MinExtentPosition=-0.67,-1.47, 0.20
ExhaustEmitterName=SmokeStackEffect
ExhaustPosition=0, 5.69, 5.1255
ExhaustEmitterSize=1.0

[Gatling20 748]

Hmm... It works when the object is just a terrain object (like the GeneratorBuilding, or the train in the example above).

And it works when the object is a GroundObject (like a ship).

Maybe you need to create two different objects, one the train as a GroundObject which can move, and a second one with the train as a stationary terrain object (not using the line UseGroundObject=TRUE).

[Gatling20 748]

On second thoughts, in a WW2 Pacific terrain I have, the following works in the terrain Types.INI to have stationary ships in port with smoke coming out of their funnels, so maybe it is the TargetType=Transport line for the trains which is the problem. I don't think I have ever seen that in a terrain Types.INI before.

 

[TargetType120]
Name=Fletcher
FullName=Fletcher Class Destroyer
TargetType=NAVAL_BASE
ActiveYear=0
DamagePoint=1000
ArmorValue=0
ArmorType=0
TargetValue=500
UseGroundObject=TRUE
GroundObjectType=Fletcher
RepairRate=0.150
StartDetectChance=50
StartIdentifiedChance=0
IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0
MaxVisibleDist=15000.0
DamagedModel=
DestroyedEffect=ShipDestroyedEffect
DestroyedModel=
SecondaryEffect=MediumOilFire
SecondaryChance=100
ExhaustEmitterName=SmokeStackEffect
ExhaustPosition=0.0,-5.2,13.1
ExhaustEmitterSize=1.0

Edited August 12, 2014 by Gatling20

[Wrench 9,471]

in the case of ships, it's really not required to have the effect named, as the ship's data ini will supply the information. That's just left over from 1stGens. I've have used several that don't have the statements, and still emit smoke when docked.

 

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if the train is a moving object (ie: GroundObject), what about using the "WheeledVehicleDustEmitter", and setting it's position to the smokestack?

[+Monty CZ 209]

Train is GroundObject but not moving so that movement emmiter wont work.

I will look at the ships closely

 

ok I tried to change smokestack emitter to ExhaustEmitterName=ShipSmoke

and it works now

 

Thank you guys

Monty CZ

Edited August 12, 2014 by Monty CZ

[Wilches 1,156]

Train is GroundObject but not moving so that movement emmiter wont work.

I will look at the ships closely

 

ok I tried to change smokestack emitter to ExhaustEmitterName=ShipSmoke

and it works now

 

Thank you guys

Monty CZ

Please, show us the result!!!

[+Monty CZ 209]

Ok I am ready to pack beta to let you play with it and tell me if it is any use

 

(I did my own effect for the train smoke - edited smokestack effect)

 

Monty CZ

[Badfrank 5]

Nice!

Good Work!

[+Monty CZ 209]

Uploaded and awaiting approval. I put some more objects into it - LT-34 tank and light AAA unit

Monty CZ

[+Monty CZ 209]

I learned some body modelling, because characterl lod I used before is dated 2003 - loong time with SF2

Monty CZ

 

[+Monty CZ 209]

Some funny comparsion:

2 years ago I lost a lot of data for this mod and this is what I have today (hope it is better altough there is the same texture resolution)

Monty CZ

[+JonathanRL 973]

Impressive!

[+Monty CZ 209]

Just another layout with smaller station and more targets:

Monty CZ