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Wings spoilers used as airbrakes (F-111 / F-14 TMF)

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A little mod that would give an additional fonction to the wings spoilers, roll control surfaces, that would work also as "airbrakes".

 

Nothing changes for the main airbrake.

 

It requires to have the thrust vectoring fonction free. It will be activated by the thrust vector toggle.

 

It could be done as speedbrakes, activated by the speedbrakes toggle, but only after some 3D work and the creation of a new LOD (...1st gen compatible :haha: )

It is not working like in real life due to game limitations...

 

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F-111

 

[LeftAileron]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=62.5
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0191
Cldc=-0.0520
Cndc=0.0017
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.120,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.120
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=1.0
MaxControlSpeed=195.48
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=LeftSpoilerAxis
RotationAxis=X-Axis
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=-0.4
 
[RightAileron]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=62.5
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0191
Cldc=0.0520
Cndc=-0.0017
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.120,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.120
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=1.0
MaxControlSpeed=195.48
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=RightSpoilerAxis
RotationAxis=X-Axis
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=0.4
 
post-46431-0-25566000-1478378121.jpg

 

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F-14 Mirage Factory (2005 LOD)

 

(edited according to the SF2 super pack flight model)

 

[LeftSpoiler]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=178.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_left
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoiler]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=178.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_right
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
 
[LeftSpoilerInner]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=140.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_left_inner
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoilerInner]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=140.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_right_inner
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
 
[LeftSpoilerOuter]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=178.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_left_Outer
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoilerOuter]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
MaxControlSpeed=178.0
LockOutSpeed=TRUE
ModelNodeName=spoiler_right_outer
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
 
post-46431-0-36542800-1478378134.jpg
 

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F-14 Mirage Factory from the SF2 super pack

 

http://combatace.com/files/file/16212-tmf-f-14-tomcat-super-pack-v131/

 

======>>> See Caesar's post below

 

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Thanks for reading :^)

Edited by Cliff7600
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Caesar Newbie

Caesar

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I was wondering if the DLC (Direct Lift Control) could be done on the F-14.  I just tested this and looks like you proved it can be!

Cliff7600 Newbie

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So where do I apply that to landing gear?

 

For example F4U Corsair's airbrakes was the landing gear.

 It won't work because landing gear is not a control surface

 

...but I'll think about that because I have some F4U flight model rework in progress ^^

 

 

I was wondering if the DLC (Direct Lift Control) could be done on the F-14.  I just tested this and looks like you proved it can be!

Thanks ! You just taught me the actual name of the function.

 

And now, I really have to go check if the "Cylinder23" on the stick could be use as a cockpit indicator of the position of the spoilers

No way to have a nice indicator on the stick, the cockpit is not enough editing friendly.

Edited by Cliff7600
Caesar Newbie

Caesar

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Slight modification for the SP Turkey in SF2: this roughly preserves the roll rate from the original spoilers.  The updated ones are a bit quick and put a pretty high negative "g" load on the aircraft at max roll rate (almost -3.5).  Updating the CDdc, Cldc and Cndc numbers to match the original entries with an input factor of 0.4/-0.4 was a bit too slow, so I put the original entries there and followed up by putting the input factor at 1.0/-1.0.  This gets the lateral stick inputs just about right:

 

[LeftSpoiler]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=Leftspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=-0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoiler]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=Rightspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
 
[LeftSpoilerInner]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=Leftinnerspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=-0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoilerInner]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=Rightinnerspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
 
[LeftSpoilerOuter]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=-0.0126
Cndc=0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=LeftOuterspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=-0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0
 
[RightSpoilerOuter]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=60.0
MinDeflection=0.0
CDdc=0.0096
Cldc=0.0126
Cndc=-0.0004
CldcAlphaTableNumData=15
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.877,0.415
CndcAlphaTableNumData=15
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1.216,1.288,1.360,1.432
ControlRate=2.5
LockOutSpeed=FALSE
ModelNodeName=RightOuterspoiler
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
//SecondaryInputFactor=0.4
SecondaryInputFactor=1.0
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