Verdun 21 Posted December 24, 2017 Looking awesome, guys! Both the N.17 and the pilots! :) Happy hollidays from Sweden! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 24, 2017 Merry Christmas to you too! Some ingame shots of a French paint job. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JacksonM 74 Posted December 25, 2017 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone! I hope you have a great time. All the best, gentlemen! First of all, I wish u very good health. Secondly, I wish you good luck in life. At last, my third wish is the strength for all your hard work! Happy hunting, Jackson M _____________________________________________________________________________ 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) With time off for Christmas, VonS and I have gotten a lot done with improved files and models. Progress shots below of the N17, plus some shots of contemporary rotary-powered aircraft - rotary engines were filthy! Edited December 25, 2017 by Geezer 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Verdun 21 Posted December 27, 2017 Looking good! :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 28, 2017 Progress on detailing the front fuselage and Vickers gun. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+whiteknight06604 934 Posted December 28, 2017 beautiful. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 29, 2017 Ingame shots of Nieuport 17 progress. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 30, 2017 More test shots... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+whiteknight06604 934 Posted December 30, 2017 Amazing work. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 30, 2017 31 minutes ago, whiteknight06604 said: Amazing work. Thanks - just an old geezer puttering around in his digital garage. VonS and I are working on extensive improvements to a bunch of Nieuports. I noticed you released a mod pack some time ago that added a Lewis gun to already existing Nieuport aircraft. Would you be interested in making a new version of your old pack, using our new models, art, and files? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ojcar 157 Posted December 30, 2017 Sorry, I don't want to be picky, but I think your model is a Nieuport 23, instead the Nieuport 17. The 17 one had the vickers at the centre while the 23 had the vickers slightly startboard. Nevertheless, a very good work! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, ojcar said: Sorry, I don't want to be picky, but I think your model is a Nieuport 23, instead the Nieuport 17. The 17 one had the vickers at the centre while the 23 had the vickers slightly startboard. Nevertheless, a very good work! Factually incorrect. The first French synchronizer to see widespread service was the Alkan-Hamy gear, available just in time for installation in Nieuport 17s in mid-1916. The Alkan-Hamy's cam follower was offset to the right, so the gun had to be mounted slightly to the right. The British used several other synchronizer gear systems, such as Vickers-Challenger or Sopwith-Kauper, so other types WERE installed but the offset Alkan-Hamy was the factory standard for the N17. First shot below shows the Alkan-Hamy gear, but with a British Hyland Type A cocking handle. Edited December 30, 2017 by Geezer 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ojcar 157 Posted December 30, 2017 So, my Windstock datafile is wrong. It's difficult to have good books about WWI planes. The info varies greatly depending the book. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, ojcar said: So, my Windstock datafile is wrong. It's difficult to have good books about WWI planes. The info varies greatly depending the book. LOL! Don't feel bad, the MG position drove me crazy when I first began researching Nieuports. The confusion probably started with the British Nieuports not always being supplied with guns, and sometimes not even engines. With so many British machines using centrally-mounted guns, it was easy to assume the central location was "normal." You probably have the drawing below, showing the offset position. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,212 Posted December 31, 2017 Nice Italian skin..Fulco would be proud of it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, gterl said: Nice Italian skin..Fulco would be proud of it Yup, it looks good over your Italian map! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
don246 65 Posted December 31, 2017 Wow detailing is great can't wait for these. Thanks for the pics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted January 1, 2018 Over the Alps... 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted January 5, 2018 Progress shots for color schemes: 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crawford 570 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) When, Lord? When? When's gonna be this time? Edited January 5, 2018 by Crawford Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Verdun 21 Posted January 5, 2018 Pure eye candy, Geezer! Well done! It looks great! :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Verdun said: Pure eye candy, Geezer! Well done! It looks great! :D Its not just eye candy. The new models are being developed in close cooperation with VonS's new FMs and other upgrades. We have found that many of the early FE/FEG models benefit from upgrading to FE2. Sample of VonS detail below for the Junkers J.1 which eventually wound up having historically accurate wing vibration problems. Hard at work on the FM already, here's a breakdown so far of things done and needing work...for those in the loop who like reading this stuff. - about 2m/s climb rate achieved - with ratio of 700kg empty weight to 150,000 units of engine output at SL (will test at historical empty weight too of 1700kg and engine output of 250,000 to 300,000 to see what happens) - have limited the elevator delta pitch and pitch rate values for the AI, otherwise they are too aggressive and stall this beast (AI now flies the plane well, is careful with the elevators!) - had to change overall armor setting from aluminum to wood, with value of 27 for hardness (this is good); aluminum at values of 21 or 22, even as low as 17, becomes too heavy on the type; I clad the fuselage with aluminum though, thickness value of 2 works well and makes it nearly impenetrable by .303 caliber stuff - aileron sensitivity now reduced, slow and sloppy (as historical) - removed lights, tail hook, other stuff relevant to Baffin but not to the Junkers - elevators now somewhat sensitive but more dampened than before - rudder slow to react, minimally effective but helpful for tighter turns when coordinated with ailerons ---- - must remove entries for ailerons on lower left/right wings since no lower ailerons on the Junkers - perhaps lower yaw dampening to about 0.25, have it now at about 0.45 - possibly increase rudder mobility to value of +/- 23 (is now at about +/-18); will tweak this to see what gives more realistic rudder response, in conjunction with yaw dampening tweaks - will double-check bouncy wheels problem when type is at rest on airfield; maybe problem is asymmetry in castering wheel value (fixed previously on the Halb. D5) ----- - historical RPMs now on the engine of about 1400 to 1800, idle 100 to 200, engine is Daimler 200, other engine info such as gas pressure, oil, etc., taken from same engine type on the Austrian Alby. 153b (Jan Tuma's model) - prop diameter around 2.9 or 2.95 now, slightly longer than on the Alby. 153b (was about 2.8 meters there)...will see if this is historical - top speed is now about 162kph near sea level (will see if I can push this down further to about 155kph for the 200hp variant, and maybe leave it at 162 or so for a "220hp" variant since some of these types got the 220hp Daimler from what I remember reading) - fiddled with inertia values in relation to empty weight (now reduced), but may increase inertia values slightly if experiment is successful with historical empty weight of 1700kg or so...currently an empty weight of anything higher than about 1000kg gives nasty wing vibrations at the tips, as if plane is in perpetual stall...will possibly be offset through higher engine output... Von S 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Geezer 3,569 Posted January 6, 2018 Sorta/kinda realistic artwork takes a long time. Progress shots below. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crawford 570 Posted January 6, 2018 Excuse me, but... is this the final version of the Nieuport's tail section? As you know (of course, you know!), the elevator control wires were located the same way as in this photo. Can this be implemented on your beautiful model? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
