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I tought we had one campaign/pack with that war "February 1919 to October 1920" between newly stablished Soviet Union and the Polish Republic, but it seems I was wrong. Regarding planes we have almost all If not all of the ones involved, Albatros (Oeffag ones too), Spads, Nieuports, Breguet XIV, Bristol Fighters, even a Gotha G.IV!! But I'm not usre that the terrain we have cover the proper area. What the experts think? Is doable in First Eagles?

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1 hour ago, Stratos said:

between newly stablished Soviet Union and the Polish Republic

Note:  The war you are talking about was between the Polish Republic and the Soviet Russia aka the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (the RSFSR). The Soviet Union was formed on December 30, 1922.

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12 minutes ago, Crawford said:

Note:  The war you are talking about was between the Polish Republic and the Soviet Russia aka the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (the RSFSR). The Soviet Union was formed on December 30, 1922.

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As far as i know there is no terrain for FE, which covers that area.

By the way, its a very big area with a lot of endless forrests.

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A stimulating topic gents' - we certainly have the necessary aircraft in FE/FE2 for such a scenario. One that comes to mind in particular is the 160/165hp engined-up variant of the Nieup. 24/25/27 series - available in one of the big aircraft update packs for Geezer's Nieups. (page 17 or 18 of the new aircraft thread). It's a good Nieup. for early 1920s scenarios - low 200s kph top speed and a better climb rate than for the standard issue Nieup. 24 and 27.

But as Gepard says, I don't think there is a map available in FE/FE2 for such scenarios...maybe worth checking out the SF2 maps? (perhaps one of those could be imported into FE/FE2).

Von S :smile:

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Fixed typos.
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Everywhere on my hard disk i have a terrain, that covers the islands of Estonia, which was the target of the biggest amphibious operation during WW (Operation Albion)!

But this is not the needed area for a polish-soviet war scenario.

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More than 10 years ago i started a Poland terrain for WOE, but i never made more than the first steps. It covers some parts of the needed area.

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For the experts, does this part cover the needed area?

If yes, Gepard, what's the status of it? Tileset added? Can the FE terrains be modded using TFDTool (looking at the screen seems that yes). I can work with TFD Tool to properly place tiles If needed.

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I have tried to move the terrain from WOE to FE, but it allways crash to desktop. Surely it is only a minor mistake in one of the lines, which i still have to find.

Basicly said. The terrain covers the area of the modern Poland, or the old german east areas Pommern, Schlesien, Ost- and Westpreussen and in the middle the old polish republic and the two southern baltic states.

The big river in the mid of the terrain is the Weichsel (Wisla if you use the polish name). In the "knee" of this river Warsaw, the polish capital is situated. The outer north east bay is the Bay of Riga, Riga is the latvian capital.

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So the battle on the Weichsel could be part in a polish soviet scenario. The soviet attacks reached a line approx between Warsaw and Königsberg and  Warsaw to Krakow. But all fights east of Brest to Kiev or Minsk are not part of the map.

The status of the terrain is very early. auto placement of cities is only done for the german territory and the so called "korridor". All other things still have to done. No rivers layed, no streets, no runways, no populated target areas and so on.

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The red dot is the town of Memel (Kleipeda), the blue whote dot is Königsberg. Which are airfield for test reasons.

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Here is the very early phase terrain which i had called Ostpreussen (East Prussia).

It has no airfields, no populated target areas, no rivers, no roads. The tiling is rudimentary. Only 104 towns are placed as simple squares on the map. It need a lot of work to finish it. But if someone want to do the job, feel free to do it. Only one thing: Give me proper credit for the basic files and Jan Tuma for the tileset, which is included in the package.

Ostpreussen.7z

 

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The Galicia2 (Eastern Front) map would work for the southern part of the conflict. The city of Lemberg was renamed Lwow (today it is named Lviv). The Galicia2 map uses Austro-Hungarian names for the most part, most cities in the region also have Polish and/or Ukrainian names. 

The interesting thing about the Polish-Bolshevik war is that we would be able to have dogfights with the same planes - Fokker D.VII vs Fokker D.VII - Nieuport 17 vs Nieuport 17 - etc.

I found some profiles here:

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n2/whitpole.html

and here:

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n1/redfighter.html

 

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18 hours ago, Stratos said:

I added the full Vistula/Wisla just to check If it can be done, Gepard can you check If it's more or less ok? I followed the height river path.

 

Ostpreussen.rar

I check it out. But next time it would be enough if you send the ostpreussen.hdf and the tdf file.

 

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Nice topic!! As for the aircrafts, some still missing like Ansaldo A.1 Ballila and Breguet XIV for example. The Breguet I have it´s prety much old. Good job!

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19 hours ago, Stratos said:

I added the full Vistula/Wisla just to check If it can be done, Gepard can you check If it's more or less ok? I followed the height river path.

 

 

It is the correct way to follow the height path of the river. You can fix the heigh datas if they are wrong with TDF editor.

The path of the river Weichsel/Wisla/Visla/Vistula/ Ви́сла is correct for the  lower reaches of the river (without the Weichseldelta). But in the area you need for a soviet polish scenario the river is not tiled.

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The red line show the river as you placed it on the map. The green lines are rivers, which are neccessary to be placed. The green "circle" is the position of Warsaw, the polish capital, which is indispensable. The yellow lines are rivers which would be "nice to have" but not really ne ccessary.

As you see, the area, where the battle called " The miracle on the Vistula" was fought is not tiled yet.

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2 hours ago, Gepard said:

The red line show the river as you placed it on the map. The green lines are rivers, which are neccessary to be placed. The green "circle" is the position of Warsaw, the polish capital, which is indispensable. The yellow lines are rivers which would be "nice to have" but not really ne ccessary.

As you see, the area, where the battle called " The miracle on the Vistula" was fought is not tiled yet.

Gepard, I know some guys can add pyshical maps to TFD tool that help inmensely while placing rivers, roads and cities. If someone can add such a map I would add the proper needed tiles and cities, in the proper places, what I cannot do is the create some missing tiles like river delta, or river merges.

BTW, is the Vistula too wide? should I keep using that tile or move to the narrower one for next part?

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To be honest, the river is to narrow. The Weichsel/Visla is close to the Baltic a big river. But i think it is not a problem. Use the standard tile, its good enough.

 

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2 hours ago, Wilches said:

Not an "Off-topic" but the first time I saw this Poland map I immediately think on a Blitzkrieg 1939 scenario. 

Do you have an idea where we can find this map? To use it would make a soviet-polish war scenario so much easier.

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I meant your own map in this very topic. Usefull for 3 scenarios at least - Soviet/Poland 1919, Blitzkrieg 1939 and WW2 Eastern Front 44/45. 

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3 hours ago, Stratos said:

I would need that pyshical map added to TFD tool in order to progress further.

There i cant help you. I have never heared, that a physical map can used in TFD tool.

I use maps from my old school Atlas ord historical maps from net. The placement of target areas are more or less a guess. Orientation points can be structures in the HFD file which can identified, like rivers, coastlines, mountains.

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14 hours ago, Wilches said:

I meant your own map in this very topic. Usefull for 3 scenarios at least - Soviet/Poland 1919, Blitzkrieg 1939 and WW2 Eastern Front 44/45. 

Sorry, my fault.

You are right, it would be perfect for 1939 and 1944/45.

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